With how many men can you play without lags? What's your record? It is still possible to play with huge armies?

[panzerschreck]

I regret the time in the previous titles when I could play with 20 000, 30 000 men without lags. How many of us can play with huge armies? How many can't? For those who can play more than 10 000 men in the battlefield, please add your specs!

This make me think about one thing: what I expect from total war in the future, beautiful game, yes. But most of all, I was thinking, that year after year, we could play with largest armies, until reaching real size armies. With Rome 2, we have made a big step backwards, a lot of us have to play with little armies. Of course, we all wait for patches and drivers to change that.

So let me dream guys with your huge armies, let's vote.

Do you think we are going in the next years towards less men in battle?

Edit: I put zero: whereas that I play 160 vs 160 or 8000 vs 8000, I have 2 fps in battle

[Inhuman One]

Gues its about 2000 vs 2000 since the last patch. Needs to be a field battle though. A big detailed city along with it does cause a little lag.

[panzerschreck]

Gues its about 2000 vs 2000 since the last patch. Needs to be a field battle though. A big detailed city along with it does cause a little lag.

Indeed, and most of all, some players can't play sieges because of the big lag they have. For me, there's no difference, 2 fps on all the maps.

[barry12]

I keep pushing it and I can get at least 10 - 12,000 men on the field with all settings maxed out.

20,000 men is slightly laggy when I tried it on a custom battle, but that's because the AI could hardly fit all its men in the deployment box and there were around 10,000 men squashed into a 100 metre squared area. When they spaced themselves out, the lag decreased substantially. Enabling SLI and optimising GPU/CPU performance should make 30,000 men battles possible soon I think.

My specs are quite good though:

Windows 7
cpu: i7 3770K overclocked to 4.7 gHz
16GB ram
2 x GTX 670 (2GB) in SLI set up (SLI does not work with this game by the way yet as NVIDIA are still working on the drivers)
250GB Solid State Drive

[Krasnaïa Zvezda]

I chose 10.000 vs 10.000 even though it was 8000 vs 8000 with reinforcing armies on both sides.

I tend to have lag on coastal city battles with an enemy navy reinforcing but it may be caused by the mod version I have (Magnar mod with 2x unit size). 2x unit size for the navies doesn't seem to work well so it may be the cause of the lags.

Other than that, I have a small drop during field battles if I zoom in and move around too fast but it's still playable and enjoyable.

[noelfaz]

Without lag on high or very high settings about 8 to 10 thousand without any lag .But can play with 15000 or more but it can get pretty laggy i'm sad to say .And i play on 2 times multiplier in campaign but with 40/40 unit it can make battles unplayable with 2 x .Happened in my roma campaign so i need a patch asap unless someone knows how to turn the 40 units in a battle off ?
Specs
Windows 7
AMD Fx 8120 3.1 Ghz
16 g ram
SSD 500G
AMD 7870 3G ddr5

[panzerschreck]

Impressive for the last 3 posts, I look with attention to your specs, I have in my mind to buy a new pc but unfortunetly we have to wait the end of all the patches and drivers to see why type of config is the most appropriate to Rome 2.

[toto233]

I had a battle of 7500 vs 5000 men in a civil war and thats the limit for me right now the battle was running fine the only problem was when zooming into the soldiers fighting wich didnt happen to me in smaller battles. but Im sure if I upgrade my GPU I would be able to play 10k vs 10k easily.
I still use my old HD 6850 wich I used to play shogun 2 and FOTS and I play rome on extreme graphics

[barry12]

I had a battle of 7500 vs 5000 men in a civil war and thats the limit for me right now the battle was running fine the only problem was when zooming into the soldiers fighting wich didnt happen to me in smaller battles. but Im sure if I upgrade my GPU I would be able to play 10k vs 10k easily.
I still use my old HD 6850 wich I used to play shogun 2 and FOTS and I play rome on extreme graphics

Don't upgrade your graphics card unless you really want to (for other games etc.). As is the case with all Total War games, Rome 2 is all about raw processing power. With the game in its current state, there isn't a CPU out there that can run a battle of 25-30,000 men smoothly. I'm hoping some sort of optimisation patch can fix it, but "optimisation" is a misleading term - you can't optimise what is fundamentally broken. I hope that's not the case as Shogun 2 permitted HUGE battles with 30,000 + men...

[Monsieur Alphonse]

Since four stacks is the maximum on the battlefield you can have a maximum of 80 units on the battlefield at the same time. Which is 80 * 160 = 12,600 men at max if you use standard settings. I have had several battles with 5 to 6 stacks. I had two and the enemy was replacing routing units. I didn't have real lag. Only some minor slowdown while zooming in at the beginning of the battle but once the battle starts I can see my men hacking and slashing at the enemy.

Specs:
CPU i5 4670K at standard clock 3,4 Ghz.
GPU GTX 770
RAM 8GB
Windows 8 (64bit)

[toto233]

I remember when shogun 2 came out I had HD 4870 with an old E6600 I was getting alot of stuttering and low FPS in big battles on ultra settings a few months later my GPU died I switched to my current gpu hd 6850 The game was running almost twice faster I could now play big battles with a decent FPS and withoutn alot of stuttering not sure if it will be the case with rome 2 but im not planning to upgrade right now anyway

[King Xiao]

2000 vs 2000 before it begins to lag for me.

Everything on medium apart from unit models which is high.

Running a I5 2500k @ 4ghz, 570GTX and 8gb of ram

[Jav999]

I can only play battles without lag with 4000 vs 4000, at very high and with a resolution of 1600*900. Quite dissapointing, if you ask me, due to the fact that I upgraded my pc for this game (I7-2600, AMD HD7970, 8Gb of RAM)

[panzerschreck]

I can only play battles without lag with 4000 vs 4000, at very high and with a resolution of 1600*900. Quite dissapointing, if you ask me, due to the fact that I upgraded my pc for this game (I7-2600, AMD HD7970, 8Gb of RAM)

Indeed, I understand you, where are our past huge battles? Frustrating...

Since four stacks is the maximum on the battlefield you can have a maximum of 80 units on the battlefield at the same time. Which is 80 * 160 = 12,600 men at max if you use standard settings. I have had several battles with 5 to 6 stacks. I had two and the enemy was replacing routing units. I didn't have real lag. Only some minor slowdown while zooming in at the beginning of the battle but once the battle starts I can see my men hacking and slashing at the enemy.

Specs:
CPU i5 4670K at standard clock 3,4 Ghz.
GPU GTX 770
RAM 8GB
Windows 8 (64bit)

There are already some mods that allow you to play twice men per unit, I tested 16 000 in 40 vs 40. So, if you want, you can play with a lot more!

[Wolar]

Since patch 2, it's been about 2000 vs 2000.

[panzerschreck]

A little improvment for me I can play now with 1000 vs 1000 without lags but it's far from what I expected...

[panzerschreck]

I think CA doesn't imagine that most of us have big lags problems or fps drops. We are at patch five and almost no progress. Is this possible that CA never fix it?


I would like that CA communicates more on these problems of performances which are the biggest problem of the game:

-what are their analysis about cpu bottleneck, fps drops? What is wrong in the game for creating that?
-Are they really working on it and how much time will we have to wait for "performance patches" only?
-Will they have to re-code the game? It is possible?

I see more and more people leaving rome 2 because of that, me for example, I have played less than an hour this week, just for testing the patch 5, and I saw absolutly no improvment for fps drops.

[Naked Emperor]

6000 vs 6000 in field battle. Big cities cause a little lag. I once had a battle with around 15.000 men and I noticed a little lag

[M2TWRocks]

Shutting off shadows made it possible for me to play a seemingly limitless number of men on battlefield without lag.

[dogukan]

I had a massive battle with 15-16 thousands involved. Lagged waaaaay too much until the end. I won but can not say I enjoyed it due to the hell I had been through.