idiotic troops just stanfing there as they get decimated by javelins

[RedGuard]

Seriously i am sick and tired of having to babysit every unit in a battle. This was not a problem in any of the previous games because they had a fire at will mode or had a little common sense. If cohort has just routed two groups of javelinmen(since that's about the only unit i seem to fight) why do they just stand there and have half their unit destroyed by another unit of javilenmen 10 feet away who they don't think are important enough to engage without me telling them too. I'm glad my legionaries are more disciplined than Unsullied but god damn thats ing stupid.

There are accounts in Caesar's Gallic war that legionnaires came under fire by slingers and attacked the barricade while the troops were without armor in relax mode. They picked up their shields and without looking for their unit or their legatus to tell them to sallie forth simply walked out in sword, shield and tunic and routed the enemy without being told. WHY do i have to baby sit?

[Dawu]

Where there is no vision, the people perish. —Proverbs 29:18

[OCTAVIUS VATCO 22]

maybe its the warscape napoleon effect where the volitguers are supposed to decimate grenadiers.....

[Commodus Herculeus]

or maybe because the legionaries were drunk,they must be punished,shameful dispray!

[Darth the Great]

or maybe because the legionaries were drunk,they must be punished,shameful dispray!

Or they ran out of magic potion. I blame Gauls for not providing enough!

[Tiwaz]

Seriously i am sick and tired of having to babysit every unit in a battle. This was not a problem in any of the previous games because they had a fire at will mode or had a little common sense. If cohort has just routed two groups of javelinmen(since that's about the only unit i seem to fight) why do they just stand there and have half their unit destroyed by another unit of javilenmen 10 feet away who they don't think are important enough to engage without me telling them too. I'm glad my legionaries are more disciplined than Unsullied but god damn thats ing stupid.

There are accounts in Caesar's Gallic war that legionnaires came under fire by slingers and attacked the barricade while the troops were without armor in relax mode. They picked up their shields and without looking for their unit or their legatus to tell them to sallie forth simply walked out in sword, shield and tunic and routed the enemy without being told. WHY do i have to baby sit?

Think positive. Enemy is equally idiotic.
In my campaign, I was assaulting walled city and had torn holes in the walls with siege, knocking off their ranged units. Then lined up my formation with velites up front and legions behind them. Something came up and I had to shift to desktop, forgot to pause the game.

Well, I come back to game to see my enemy basically annihilated, velites happily lobbing sticks at yet another unit of hoplites forming to defend the hole in the wall, other nearly depleted units nearby showing that they had marched up, got shot up and retreated.

Idiots did nothing to stop being murdered there. Another unit just came up for slaughter so that when first legionary managed to cross the rubble everyone just broke down.

[OCTAVIUS VATCO 22]

Its the inherent guard mode ability as Jack explained, soldiers will not attack unless ordered to.

[Plan C]

Its the inherent guard mode ability as Jack explained, soldiers will not attack unless ordered to.

Yeah, Jack's post pretty much reveals the mechanic. The real problem is, though - why aren't they ordered to attack?

[Banksia]

Seriously? Two mouseclicks and they will attack... Use the pause button if you dont want to lose momentum. Jeez, talk about whinning on non-existisng problems.

[Okuto]

This is more to the fact that most units auto guard so when they rout a unit they just sit there and chill...eat missile fire...

[Modestus]

Ah yes the default guard mode or as we in the trade call the off button.



It is very important for new players to familiarise themselves with this mechanic as once a unit is in a turned off defensive stance it wont do anything, it is also perhaps worth mentioning that if a unit does something once it completes its task it will turn itself off again this is usually preceded by cheering.

[DisgruntledGoat]

What the heck is going on in this thread. Since when, in ANY TW has a unit auto attacked a unit. If your unit is taking missile fire from an enemy, even a close enemy, the unit has never ever auto attacked that unit. EVER. Its not guard mode, its not anything, its the way its always been in total war. I'm so confused by the complaint.

[Modestus]

What the heck is going on in this thread. Since when, in ANY TW has a unit auto attacked a unit. If your unit is taking missile fire from an enemy, even a close enemy, the unit has never ever auto attacked that unit. EVER. Its not guard mode, its not anything, its the way its always been in total war. I'm so confused by the complaint.

I know that but do units chase routers anymore? Or throw their spears when in off mode oh sorry Guard mode.

[DisgruntledGoat]

I know that but do units chase routers anymore? Or throw their spears when in off mode oh sorry Guard mode.

But that wasn't the complaint lodge in the thread. And has nothing what so ever to do with the OP and thread topic. The thread is about units not automatically attacking any unit that attacks them. Which has never been in a total war. Chasing routers was a problem in past games, I am fine with the auto guard mode. What is missing is the fire at will mode for melee infantry, but that has nothing to do with guard mode either.

[the_mango55]

What the heck is going on in this thread. Since when, in ANY TW has a unit auto attacked a unit. If your unit is taking missile fire from an enemy, even a close enemy, the unit has never ever auto attacked that unit. EVER. Its not guard mode, its not anything, its the way its always been in total war. I'm so confused by the complaint.

I had this same question.

If you don't pay attention to your units they are going to get killed. I mean at least put them under AI control if you are going to ignore them.

[rrgg]

I had this same question.

If you don't pay attention to your units they are going to get killed. I mean at least put them under AI control if you are going to ignore them.

AI tends to kill them even faster than standing still right now. If that actually worked then no one would be complaining.

Fact is, stuff like this isn't a fun part of the game to anyone, and it isn't a necessary part . Being able to order units to automatically attack the nearest enemy would not take any strategic elements out of the game.

[Sir Winston Churchill]

What the heck is going on in this thread. Since when, in ANY TW has a unit auto attacked a unit. If your unit is taking missile fire from an enemy, even a close enemy, the unit has never ever auto attacked that unit. EVER. Its not guard mode, its not anything, its the way its always been in total war. I'm so confused by the complaint.

No, but it was better than it is now. If a unit was in melee and routed one of two units in the melee, it would continue to fight the other unit that had not routed.

[Maklodes]

Really, automatically running after javelineers might be a liability more than an asset. Picture it: you have a coherent line of battle, and the enemy sends skirmishers to attack some, but not all, of your units. The attacked units impetuously charge against the skirmishers, leaving a sort of "checkerboard" of gaps in your line. The enemy can now attack the units that have come forward to chase the enemy, flanking them and defeating them in detail, then proceed to do the same to the remaining battle line as they struggle to reform into a single line.

[rrgg]

My thread on the subject.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...-to-the-series


In previous games guard mode allowed units to continue throwing javelins and using missiles when under attack. it was really useful with roman infantry.

[johannlo]

The real problem is javelins have way too much ammo. How many javelins can each man physically carry? LOL