Killing routing units is too hard

[Harnis]

In older total war games, taking a unit of cavalry and catching a routing infantry unit was brutal. The infantry would get ridden down and slaughtered.

Now, in Rome 2, I can use my roman general to run down some Italian swordsmen who are routing, and it takes longer to kill them than if they weren't routing and actually fighting instead.

This is clearly a problem.

[TheVerySpecialK]

This was also an issue for me in ETW; cavalry always seemed to run after individual units rather than the whole group, which allowed many routing units to escape (thus forcing me to fight the same enemy armies again to finish them off).

[♔The Black Knight♔]

Yes i agree its almost impossible to kill routing units with cav.

Whether this is intended or not, i dont know.

[wulfgar610]

You think the routers should make it easy for you? I got no problem with the rate at which cavalry runs down routers.

[Remo]

You think the routers should make it easy for you? I got no problem with the rate at which cavalry runs down routers.

I lost a General to some retreating skirmishers once.

[Boba93]

Yes, I noticed that too. It is weird that nobody ever talked about this issue though.

[Raimeken]

Warscape engine problem, 1v1 restriction. Nothing we can do about except tell CA that the Warscape SUCKS.

[rob-a-dogg]

Empire and Shogun 2 DarthMods both have BRUTAL routed kill rates from cavalry, when you issue the order every soldier within range next to an enemy soldier from any unit that is routed is immediately killed. Common to see 15-20 people die within a few seconds of right clicking. Its not an engine problem at all, its the games internal settings.

[nonebody]

Someone please fix this, cuz i really like the reward of winning the battle and slaughter the routers

[Woodrow Skillson]

If you End Battle, it gives you a percentage of the routing enemy. You will notice units that did not fight will have kills. That is the % of the routers they killed.

[Kenios]

Missile units generally have no problem hitting routers. If you can recruit horse archers, they are rather good at taking out routers. A rough workaround is to halt your cavalry, let the routers get some distance, then initiate a charge. Charge, stop, charge, stop. Well, you get the idea. It's a path-finding problem. Shogun 2 is also running in warscape and the units are very good at taking down routers.

[daelin4]

They need to set their HP and stats to zero so that running them down doesn't take a crapload of time to do.

[Raimeken]

They need to set their HP and stats to zero so that running them down doesn't take a crapload of time to do.

Its not even that, the problem is that each unit has to stop and do the killing animation before being able to move on. But at the same time, the cavalry are running, meaning that the units start lagging behind and the engine is not accustomed to units randomly going around killing people. The warscape engine is rigid in the fact that it wants units to keep formation while moving, in previous games, the engine was less anal about keeping a perfect formation and since all cavalry used a generic slashing animation to kill people, the deed was done rather quickly.

[vrgadin]

Its not even that, the problem is that each unit has to stop and do the killing animation before being able to move on. But at the same time, the cavalry are running, meaning that the units start lagging behind and the engine is not accustomed to units randomly going around killing people. The warscape engine is rigid in the fact that it wants units to keep formation while moving, in previous games, the engine was less anal about keeping a perfect formation and since all cavalry used a generic slashing animation to kill people, the deed was done rather quickly.

im sorry sir but you are quite wrong here. Shogun 2 uses warscape and my cav slaughters routers. just something broke in R2.

i think its pretty obvious by now that the game was launched unfinished. heck there are people digging up "roman emperor" campaign map avatars that arent in the game yet they have a screenie of one that they dug out of the hidden files.

[Kenios]

i think its pretty obvious by now that the game was launched unfinished. heck there are people digging up "roman emperor" campaign map avatars that arent in the game yet they have a screenie of one that they dug out of the hidden files.

I disagree. Finding things in the game files does not mean anything. CA could have decided to put that in, but later changed their mind. There are plenty of examples of stuff that was left in the actual game but never used or meant to be seen. One example would be GTA San Andreas Hot Coffee mod. Rockstar made a minigame in which players can have sexual intercourse with the main character's girlfriends and left it inacessible. The mod made the hidden minigame playable. It is clear Rockstar did not intend the minigame to be played, as it would push up the ratings from Mature to Adults Only. That would be disastrous for a game which was supposed to be sold to the mass market, as many retailers such as Walmart do not carry games with a AO rating.

[chris10]

and I wondered why my 120 equites could not trample 80 fleeing hoplites into the ground...watched them for about 2 minutes and they managed to kill about a dozen...thats weird to say at least

[Wolar]

I've noticed this as well. Clearly an issue that needs attention.

[Okuto]

It'd also be nice for infantry to not auto guard....lost count of how many times my infantry let the enemy go, failed to take advantage of a rout, cheer at fleeing enemies only to get shot in the face....No guard mode was a stupid idea...

And yes hard to kill routers....

[The Black Ghost]

An easy solution that I have used since ETW is to simply manually position cavalry by charging them just ahead of (or in the midst of) a main group of routing units and then ordering them to attack. The AI automatically attacks the nearest unit then, and can easily wipe out a whole group in seconds.

[VektorT]

Yeah... Do the charge, stop, charge, stop, charge, stop thing.
Not very nice and require an annoying micromanagement, but kinda works. Hopefully it will be fixed soon. It's not an engine limitation since Shogun2 didn't had that problem.