View Poll Results: Which units do you want to re-skin?

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    42 21.00%
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    12 6.00%
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Thread: KLAssurbanipal's ROME 2 units packs - general discussion

  1. #181

    Default Re: KLA'S Skinpack - SPARTAN UNITS - The first complete and more historical re-skin of Spartan army

    so is the download link going to be fixed?

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    Default Re: KLA's new CELTIC SKINPACK - The wide variation in units; new helmets!

    Thanks for this mod Assurbanipal. Do you plan to make this for Germanic tribes too? I'll be happy if you do that.

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    Default Re: KLA's better MACEDONIAN FOOT COMPANIONS

    Will Baktria, Pergamon and Seleukids be part of Hellenistic pack?

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    Default Re: KLA'S Skinpack - SPARTAN UNITS - The first complete and more historical re-skin of Spartan army

    I'm sorry to be the only one really not satisfied by your shields.
    I think that the new shields you punt on these Spartans are, from an historical point of view, wrong since they were not Spartan shields but Macedonian shields.
    The Star Shield is the symbol of the Argeadai, the royal house of Macedon.
    http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/Ma...donianSun.html


    The other shield (with central symbol and symbols all around the perimiter of the circle) is, again, a purely Macedonian shield.
    It appears on some Macedonian coins.
    http://www.mfa.org/collections/objec...utonomous-1310



    And finally, at the end, I see nothing wrong with SPartans all having the same Shield.
    They were famous for their Lambda shields (from "Lakedemon", Sparta) since the Archaic period and well until the Late Classical times.
    That Lambda was feared throughtout Greece and Greek historians are pretty clear about it.
    There was history and ideology behind the fact of wearing all teh same shield type.

    They possibly were few of the Greek hoplitic armies to have all the same shield.
    Every Spartan hoplite shows the symbol of the city instead of the symbol of his own family.
    This was very much in line with Spartan collectivistic, military philosophy.

    If you put different shields to Spartans I feel that you somewhat miss how Spartans wanted to appear and to be.

  5. #185

    Default Re: KLA'S Skinpack - SPARTAN UNITS - The first complete and more historical re-skin of Spartan army

    These shields aren't Macedonian shields. I think these ones were used in all Hellenisrtic factions. Do you have any source that only Lambda used by Spartans in Hellenistic era?
    If all Greeks used the same helmets they probably used the same shields. Corinthian helmets used by all Greeks, no only Spartans in the 5th BC. Pilos,thracian, phrygian helmets used by all Greeks in Hellenistic era. The same shields were founded in Pergamon, Egypt so why Spartans didn't use them?

  6. #186

    Default Re: KLA's new CELTIC SKINPACK - The wide variation in units; new helmets!

    KLA's helmets with L'aigle shields are the best Celtic warriors. They look like Roma Surrectum or Europa Barbarorum, means very good.

  7. #187
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    Default Re: KLA's new CELTIC SKINPACK - The wide variation in units; new helmets!

    KLA once more my friend you "write" history in modding...
    History can give more varietion that some try with "imagination"...
    Great work once more!!
    There are moments (in history), in which a nation owes,
    if it wants to be considered as a great one, to be able to fight.
    Even without hope of winning. Just because it has to.
    Greek War motto.
    XXI Armored Brigade. Proud that served in that unit in 1996!
    "Spartans do not ask how many (enemies are) but where they are"!
    XXI Armored Brigade's motto.
    The Greek Secret (or why they will fight again if it will be necessary or why they do not sell their history).


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    Default Re: KLA'S Skinpack - SPARTAN UNITS - The first complete and more historical re-skin of Spartan army

    Quote Originally Posted by PetersonTheGreat View Post
    These shields aren't Macedonian shields. I think these ones were used in all Hellenisrtic factions.
    Do you have any evidence for that?
    We do not have any surviving shield of the Hellenistic period.
    What we have is shield representations on wall-paintings (mostly in Macedonian chamber tombs) and on (Macedonian) coins.
    I do not know of any archeological evidence for the appearance of those shields in non-Macedonian armies....but I guess that if they appear in the hands of Seleucid or Ptolemaic soldiers they represent the "Macedonian root" of their army tradition.

    Quote Originally Posted by PetersonTheGreat View Post
    Do you have any source that only Lambda used by Spartans in Hellenistic era?
    I think is Thucidides, but I need time to look for it.

    [/QUOTE]If all Greeks used the same helmets they probably used the same shields. Corinthian helmets used by all Greeks, no only Spartans in the 5th BC. Pilos,thracian, phrygian helmets used by all Greeks in Hellenistic era. The same shields were founded in Pergamon, Egypt so why Spartans didn't use them?[/QUOTE]

    Not at all.
    Shields were more linked with heraldry than helmets, as far as I remember.
    And, again, if you have any archaeological evidence of star-decorated shields in Pergamon or Ptolemaic Egypt it could be explained with the "Macedonian root" that was behind the army tradition of all the Hellenistic kingdoms (or at least of their phalanxes).

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    Default Re: KLA'S Skinpack - SPARTAN UNITS - The first complete and more historical re-skin of Spartan army

    I think is Thucidides, but I need time to look for it.
    I said something stupid.
    Thucidides is off course a Classical source, not Hellenistic.
    However I suspect that what we know of the Spartan Army in the Hellestic period is much less than what we know of the Archaic & Classical Spartan army.
    In any case, I do not see why Spartans should use Macedonian heraldry on their shields.


    A last note: i really do not understand why they made Sparta & Athens playable in this game.
    They were low-level players in the Hellenistic period, their glorious days gone.

    I would have prefered the Achaean League to be playable.
    However, they possibly need to sell the game and gamers with low knowledge of the period would be fascinated more by Spartans than by Hellenistic leagues of cities like the Achaean and the Aetolian leagues.

  10. #190

    Default Re: KLA'S Skinpack - SPARTAN UNITS - The first complete and more historical re-skin of Spartan army

    well done sir. i am using a different corinthian based spartan reskin, but i like to congratulate and recognise any modding of tw games =)

  11. #191

    Default Re: KLA's better AGRIANIAN AXEMEN

    I've noticed all of your mods show conflicts in the mod manager. Is it okay to ignore the conflicts and use all of your mods together?

  12. #192

    Default Re: KLA'S Skinpack - SPARTAN UNITS - The first complete and more historical re-skin of Spartan army

    Oooh, Am i stupid or why cant i get this mod working?? I mean what do i do with the whole mod manager thing

  13. #193

    Default Re: KLA's new CELTIC SKINPACK - The wide variation in units; new helmets!

    Can I use L'Aigle and KLA mods without conflicts?
    I think that L'aigle made nice shields, but no changed helmets. KLA made various helmets, but no changed shields.
    These mods together are excellent Celts.

  14. #194

    Default Re: KLA'S Skinpack - SPARTAN UNITS - The first complete and more historical re-skin of Spartan army

    the link is broken

  15. #195

    Default Re: KLA's new CELTIC SKINPACK - The wide variation in units; new helmets!

    Excellent job as usual KLA!

    Keep up the good work mate

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    Default Re: KLA's new CELTIC SKINPACK - The wide variation in units; new helmets!

    nice job! Thanks!

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    Default Re: KLA's new CELTIC SKINPACK - The wide variation in units; new helmets!

    KLA's unit packs brings realism into units. Good job!, +rep.

  18. #198

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeonCrayon View Post
    I agree. Unless I see historical evidence for these helmets, I would like to see them gone.
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    the second one looks like a bowlers hat
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    Default Re: KLA's better MACEDONIAN FOOT COMPANIONS

    the helmets are still blue.. the steppe-thracians

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    Default Re: KLA'S Skinpack - SPARTAN UNITS - The first complete and more historical re-skin of Spartan army

    link please

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