Modding embargo of R2TW

[absinthia]

if one is to polish a turd it at least need to be dry, this is yet a pile of steaming manoure.

bugs and flawed features aside, this game is lacking in campaign scope and depth. in addition to this it seem Sega/CA intend to sell it piece by broken piece as DLC` s.

i there fore pledge not to contribute anything to this farce in way of modding.

who is with me?!

[Stoferr]

I like this game, I'll most likely buy all the DLC to flesh out the factions/cultures even more.

[Dileos]

I like this game, I'll most likely buy all the DLC to flesh out the factions/cultures even more.

QFT.

Enjoying my Rome campaign, running a few mods, and enjoying the option to play as the Greeks.


My CPU is watercooled by tears.

[SinerAthin]

Comparing it to a turd is quite a poor comparison, as the core concept of Rome II is fantastic.
It is the execution that fails.

It is more like a diamond with rough edges, that with enough work can turn into something truly magnificent.

If the fundamentals of the game had been crap, people wouldn't have been playing this game despite its numerous bugs & odd design.

[AngryTitusPullo]

I never view mods as something to fix the game but to provide alternatives. I usually stay away from mods that claim to be better this and that. So none of the options given fit my view unfortunately so I have to abstain from voting.

[Canaris]

If Rome 2 will be even moddable i would polish it if only i had any in idea how to do it ....

[Modestus]

Well I don’t have the game so I wont vote but I do find it a little strange that some modders are even trying at this stage, of course they may see it as a challenge.

If you ever wanted CA to change direction the time is now, if you ever wanted CA to take you seriously the time is now otherwise your going to end up modifying power ups on Mech Warriors.

[D E C]

"i will polish the turd R2TW turd" as a poll option...

[Duncan III]

I just love the image of someone 'polishing a turd' .

[Ebenezer Grymm]

Rome 2 has many flaws from performance to AI to half implemented and missing features. But the core game itself is solid and better than ever.

I don't think your modding efforts will be missed and frankly, if I ever happen to run across one of your mods now I'll be sure to think "absinthia? wasn't that the one talking about so many turds crying about a Total War game being unpolished at launch even though they've been around here since 2008 and seen more than a few TW launches? If they're dumb enough to be so down on the game so fast this mod can't be that good anyway. Pass."

[absinthia]

I'll be sure to think "absinthia?

who gives a crap what you think

I just love the image of someone 'polishing a turd' .

i might have gone a bit over the top with the scat analogy, in particular by the 3rd option. but you can in fact polish a turd, mythbusters did:

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I never view mods as something to fix the game but to provide alternatives.

i totaly agree.
personaly i have not played any TW mods, vanilla only, hardly any skin packs either.
i have found the TW games enjoyable enough that i rather play another round, than mess around with the files.
none of the modding i have done was to "improve" the game. it was simply because i saw it as an excelent platform for alternative locations and time-frames. all this after i was well done finsihed playing the game from most any angle.

i suppose that brings us somewhat to the intention of the poll.
i am presuming that obvious bugs and flaws will be fixed and the game run as it seem intended.

what do modding people think of the re-playability of R2, the core features of it, would it be interesting enough to work on?

[legate]

Those who are enjoying the game right now will play it for another week or so then get bored, the hardcore total war fans have already given up, with a few exceptions. I'll give it another month or so but I can safely say that patches will not improve the game besides performance issues.

[veriloquent]

I find the game quite enjoyable, even more so now I have added a few small mods to it and I may create a few more if I feel I need to so I can improve my personal gameplay further.

[AnthoniusII]

if one is to polish a turd it at least need to be dry, this is yet a pile of steaming manoure.

bugs and flawed features aside, this game is lacking in campaign scope and depth. in addition to this it seem Sega/CA intend to sell it piece by broken piece as DLC` s.

i there fore pledge not to contribute anything to this farce in way of modding.

who is with me?!

I agree...
Before Modding community starts to create real and accurate modds, CA must correct some things otherwise all mods will base on wrong basis.
See my review with some things that need to be fixed -strangely RTW1 had more accurate features in many points-here.
Adding better or more accurate units may be in modding area but since CA redused modding tools so much CA has the obligation to fix things that are out of reach of modders.
We can not add new animations or change radicaly scripts as we did in RTW1 and M2TW games.
Mods of RTW1 like Rome Total Realism, Roma Sarectum 2 and Europa Barbarorum are more fun and accurate from ROME 2.
Strangely Jack Lusted was a RTW1 modder , how did he missed all these RTW1 features that need to be in R2 too?

[SirRobin]

I think the problem is also that if CA knows they can make more money selling unfinished games, then count on the modding community to do all the work completing the game, they will continue to do so.

Then all you skillful modders will in effect be working for CA, but without pay and without any official recognition.

I think it would be better if modders stayed clear of this one, and instead point out the flaws of the game to remind CA that it's their responsibility to ship a complete and well-designed game.

Modding should be something optional, not something necessary.

[Captain Clueless]

Modding should be something optional, not something necessary.

true

[nemgod]

I think the problem is also that if CA knows they can make more money selling unfinished games, then count on the modding community to do all the work completing the game, they will continue to do so.

Then all you skillful modders will in effect be working for CA, but without pay and without any official recognition.

I think it would be better if modders stayed clear of this one, and instead point out the flaws of the game to remind CA that it's their responsibility to ship a complete and well-designed game.

Modding should be something optional, not something necessary.

Sega will make the money from the sales. CA will get a trickle from it.

Sega says when the game is released CA has to let it go regardless of how finished it is.

In other words SEGA is the main issue here. They should have not told CA to rush the release (This is in the publisher's realm not the developers in modern times) instead of being scared of losing sales to the yearly trash and the PS4/Xbone releases.

[Humble Warrior]

Sega will make the money from the sales. CA will get a trickle from it.

Sega says when the game is released CA has to let it go regardless of how finished it is.

In other words SEGA is the main issue here. They should have not told CA to rush the release (This is in the publisher's realm not the developers in modern times) instead of being scared of losing sales to the yearly trash and the PS4/Xbone releases.

SEGA is the main culprit, of course, but CA have their fair share of blame, and quite a lot.

Do you really think that KNOWN dev members of CA would come here and on their forum and on utube and so promote a deception if they knew they weren`t getting a LOT of the cash from this? Are you telling me that these Devs are being paid peanuts, getting nothing while SEGA pockets most of it? Do these guys in their plush chairs in plush modern offices look POOR to you?

Somehow, I don`t think so. I think they just like that extra car and extra nice home (homes) that`s keeping them just ok. There`s a reason why games are rivalling multi-million dollar movies for the revenue they bring in.

No one advertises that much and does all that if they didn`t expect a nice fat salary out of it.

I kid you not.

[wudang_clown]

Modding should be something optional, not something necessary.

Modding possibilities should be absolutely considered by the company in each and every minute of development process. Especially when there is old and strong modding community which significantly extends expiry date of particular titles. Community which actually is the company's one of the best allies, even if unintentionally.

Ideally, Total War title of a new generation could be released as a bare-bone product, with some basic functionality, which would be however highly expandable, with lots of hooks, so customers could create plugins and hook them up, plug them in. CA could be releasing it's own commercial content as DLC's, and modding community would make its own wildest plugins. Everyone would be happy.

I'm sure something like that is perfectly possible for a highly focused team of programmers, although it would take them few years to finish something like that, and I'm afraid no one in Sega and CA boards and within the ranks of management is interested in hitting two birds with one stone, because they can make games faster and still achieve record income in pre-release by simply charming people with videos about ideas that haven't even made it to the game yet (I mean battle AI, for example, which was supposed to be, oh, how brilliant, but is actually poor!).

To answer the poll, I think I will try to modify Rome 2 at some point, but right now I don't even have enough desire to play it in its current state.

[bangell99]

The more I look at the poll options, the more I laugh.