Why i hate not being able to reveal the map.

[yutterh]

So I am playing as the Iceni. I took over the british isles and was deciding where to go next. Going across the pond to the mainland would have been a obvious choice. The only thing is I didn't want to make the obvious choice and decided to go to Iberia or take over suibi. So I decided to have my main force go to suibi and I would have one of my new confederate armies to go after Iberia. I decided to attack the closest city that I can get to by water. When I go for the city it is the celtiberian confederation that owns it. They owned 5 cities including the one I took over. The problem is I didn't know it at the time. They pretty much owned the entire north area. They had arse and olisipo and the entire tarraconensis. cantanbri owned numantia and celtici owned ebora. Turdentani owned Beatica and qart hadasht. nova carthago owned ibossim. Now the thing that made me angry is that I didn't know all this tell after I started taking over. The entire Iberia continent was in open war and it seemed the north was gonna end up fighting the south. turdentani took ibossim and was starting to make a move on Arse and most likely go into a all out war with the confederation. One thing I loved about reveal map is I was able to see all of these conflicts and enjoyed watching others fight it out and take territories. I liked watching who would come up on top. If I was able to see the map I would have gladly moved on to Greece or make a name for my british army in Egypt. Actually I would also like to point out the A.I. Did not want to go to war with me and before I landed on their shores they wanted to strike a peace treaty and pay me 2000 for it. Obviously they had big plans and money to boot. It would have been a interesting faction to face or watch as they slug it out in Iberia. I would like it if CA would put cheats back in for the single player campaign for I can watch this or heck I don't know how many other people did this but give money to weak factiosn to see if they could pull out of being weaklings.

[[N2]Kami]

USE THE ING SPY. PERIOD.

[yutterh]

The spy can only see so much though. Also it be a waste to have a valuable spy explore the vast world. I don't understand that last sentence >_>

[♠ Thomas Cochrane ♠]

You're complaining about a GOOD feature.

[Kye]

I like the idea behind this, would add more to your own story-telling aspect of the game.

[[N2]Kami]

Have you ever play something like Civ or AoE? Where the whole map is black?
And about my last sentence, a man does not cheat.

[ExtremeBoyheat]

So you didn't scout ahead of declaring war on an unknown enemy? What if a faction owned the entirety of Spain and you forgot to look before declaring war?

[billydilly]

@ OP

What? That's the point, Google Maps wasn't invented at the time. Send a spy.

[Vor]

I always used toggle_fow in the old days. Mostly because I did AARs and world updates always went down well. Didn't like the lack of the toggle in Empire, but I've adapted to it long ago now. YOu will too!

[Ebenezer Grymm]

It's really a diplomacy problem.

If diplomacy wasn't suffering from bugs making it so difficult to reach terms with factions then map information would be much easier to come by and this topic likely wouldn't exist.

Although the console is functional in the game and I'm sure eventually someone will figure out the commands for it, so having the option to remove the fog of war is good for those who choose to use it.

I feel really bad though for the poor soul who leaves the fog of war off during the end turn sequence in this game. You'd be sitting there for a week.

[yutterh]

Oh no no no I am saying I wish I could see what others armies of doing cause I like watching them take over. I used to take over the british isle and watch everyone with the reveal map. I am not complaining that the army was huge I am complaining cause I wanted to see them slug it out. I miss being able to watch nations rise and fall halfway across the world. I liked watching them fight I didn't cheat so I know where to and where not to attack. Simply like what VOr said. It was interesting to watch. I have adapted to it but I still miss it.

[craziii]

Op is one of those kids that wallhack in fps games

[ScytheRayne]

It certainly does help me get more attached to a campaign when I can see all the different factions, maybe giving some in particular a few boosts in regards to money and building queues, something I started doing when I got really frustrated with not being able to face down Carthage in RTW in the late game. Sort of the same problem I've read other people having with RII but I haven't played out any campaigns as of yet. To be fair, it's only "cheating" when you're using it to give yourself an unfair advantage over an opponent.

And even if you gave yourself all the money you could get, and built up all your buildings in the campaign map, you'll still only have a temporary advantage (though a massive one) until the other factions build up. More of a handicap for a newbie or a sandbox for a veteran. Whereas if you somehow managed to get things like unit upgrades for free or somehow prevented the other person from being able to issue orders in a multiplayer match... yeah that would be blatant cheating. Which is very, very unexcellent and certainly unrighteous, my friends.

Please be excellent to each other.

[yutterh]

Oh no no no I am saying I wish I could see what others armies of doing cause I like watching them take over. I used to take over the british isle and watch everyone with the reveal map. I am not complaining that the army was huge I am complaining cause I wanted to see them slug it out. I miss being able to watch nations rise and fall halfway across the world. I liked watching them fight I didn't cheat so I know where to and where not to attack. Simply like what VOr said. It was interesting to watch. I have adapted to it but I still miss it.