Medieval 2 still looks better. I don't have flickering pixels all over my eyes.

[AngryTitusPullo]

Are you serious bruv?

I can play Shogun 2 on completely maxed out graphics with steady 60+fps but I can't play Rome 2 on lowest settings without it dipping constantly into the mid teens? Shogun 2 looks better and cleaner than Rome 2 does.

You think my PC is too bad to play Rome 2 but easily good enough to play other more obviously demanding games at max settings like Crysis 3 with no issues?

There are people with Titan rigs, freaking TITAN RIGS who can't play this freaking game smooth.

Rome 2 is an un-optimized load of trash in its current state. You apologists are driving me insane with your drivle. Do you want me to go get you a straitjacket mate?

Just.... wow...

Shogun 2 also have problems during the first 2 weeks of release (no AA etc). Regarding titan rigs whatsoever base on my experience (maybe I'm just imagining, I don't know) at east with every new Total War release those who have problems are basically those who have current high end machines and those who have last generation high end machine doesn't seems to have much problems. Maybe because the game is developed when current mid range machines were the high-end at that time ?

I seems to remember this scenario with every TW games since M2TW (didn't join the forum pre-RTW release).

[Remo]

Shogun 2 also have problems during the first 2 weeks of release (no AA etc). Regarding titan rigs whatsoever base on my experience (maybe I'm just imagining, I don't know) at east with every new Total War release those who have problems are basically those who have current high end machines and those who have last generation high end machine doesn't seems to have much problems. Maybe because the game is developed when current mid range machines were the high-end at that time ?

I seems to remember this scenario with every TW games since M2TW (didn't join the forum pre-RTW release).

Shogun 2 had a SOLID base to build upon. The foundation was all there, it just had cracks that needed some going over. Which was easily accomplished.

Rome 2 has so many missing features that we all loved causing it to not have cracks, but entire missing pieces of the gaming structure. Missing pieces that would require CA to put them back in. Yet putting them back in would require CA as a whole to admit they were wrong and made mistakes.

Which would be blasphemy, because as we all know only 2% of CA is ever wrong at any given time.

[Turtle Kent]

Shogun 2 also have problems during the first 2 weeks of release (no AA etc). Regarding titan rigs whatsoever base on my experience (maybe I'm just imagining, I don't know) at east with every new Total War release those who have problems are basically those who have current high end machines and those who have last generation high end machine doesn't seems to have much problems. Maybe because the game is developed when current mid range machines were the high-end at that time ?

I seems to remember this scenario with every TW games since M2TW (didn't join the forum pre-RTW release).

If this is the case, then you are saying that CA flat out lied when they said Rome 2 will have the same requirements as Shogun 2.

[beksibeksi]

If this is the case, then you are saying that CA flat out lied when they said Rome 2 will have the same requirements as Shogun 2.

You mean like how they "flat out lied" with Empire?
Like how every company "flat out lies" with everything?
Sorry mate, but Rome 2 actually runs better than Napoleon for me, and only a bit worse than Shogun 2.
It also looks better. Show me pics of this awesome Shogun 2 and Medieval 2. And please, not those 16X AA on 1080. Only 2% of the people of the people that bought those games could run that at a decent fps when they came out.

[Ramesses II The Great]

Baleur what are your PC specs? My suspicion is that your PC is more than capable of playing medieval 2 at ultra but just can't really cope with Rome II's vastly increased resource demands. A lot of people on this forum are upset because they have PC's and Rome II doesn't look good on their ca. 2008 gaming rig. I run Rome II on extreme settings and believe me it is far better looking than Medieval 2. its not even close. I mean really, medieval 2 is like a 2006 release and we are halfway into 2013, there is no way Rome II looks worse than medieval 2 provided your machine can actually crank up the settings.

Are you serious bruv?I can play Shogun 2 on completely maxed out graphics with steady 60+fps but I can't play Rome 2 on lowest settings without it dipping constantly into the mid teens? Shogun 2 looks better and cleaner than Rome 2 does.You think my PC is too bad to play Rome 2 but easily good enough to play other more obviously demanding games at max settings like Crysis 3 with no issues?There are people with Titan rigs, freaking TITAN RIGS who can't play this freaking game smooth.Rome 2 is an un-optimized load of trash in its current state. You apologists are driving me insane with your drivle. Do you want me to go get you a straitjacket mate?Just.... wow...

Shogun 2 also have problems during the first 2 weeks of release (no AA etc). Regarding titan rigs whatsoever base on my experience (maybe I'm just imagining, I don't know) at east with every new Total War release those who have problems are basically those who have current high end machines and those who have last generation high end machine doesn't seems to have much problems. Maybe because the game is developed when current mid range machines were the high-end at that time ?I seems to remember this scenario with every TW games since M2TW (didn't join the forum pre-RTW release).

I actually agree with both of you!! But the reason behind this is that Rome II is actually made for really REALLY high end rigs. And no, Titan Rigs will not run Rome II smoothly because Titan Rigs are NOT high end machines. I have a high end Rig, and Rome II runs smoothly for me on EXTREME settings all the way. But then again I bought an AMD Radeon 7990 Dual GPU with SLi crossfire and 6 GB of dedicated GDDR5 ram (which is rated better than Nvidia GTX Titan for Total War games, I am an Nvidia fan btw) this card is a $1000 on its own. then I went out to upgrade other shizz as well. The truth is, Rome II is made for REALLY high end rigs and unless you have a REALLY high end rig you will not be able to get the most out of Rome II, which is unfair to like 90% of players. CA needs to take into consideration that MOST people don't have high end machines and still wanna enjoy the game. I shouldn't have to buy a 7990 to enjoy Rome II but that's what I did.I still think previous total war titles are very nice, I personally loved Napoleon total war, It was the first high end game in the Total War series imo, but Rome II ( When you have the Rig to run it on EXTREME all the way) is just another experience all together, then you realize Rome II is just the best total war game to date, when you get it working right.Edit: Sorry for the text block guyz, its not letting me do paragraphs!!

[smilydude]

I actually agree with both of you!! But the reason behind this is that Rome II is actually made for really REALLY high end rigs. And no, Titan Rigs will not run Rome II smoothly because Titan Rigs are NOT high end machines. I have a high end Rig, and Rome II runs smoothly for me on EXTREME settings all the way. But then again I bought an AMD Radeon 7990 Dual GPU with SLi crossfire and 6 GB of dedicated GDDR5 ram (which is rated better than Nvidia GTX Titan for Total War games, I am an Nvidia fan btw) this card is a $1000 on its own. then I went out to upgrade other shizz as well. The truth is, Rome II is made for REALLY high end rigs and unless you have a REALLY high end rig you will not be able to get the most out of Rome II, which is unfair to like 90% of players. CA needs to take into consideration that MOST people don't have high end machines and still wanna enjoy the game. I shouldn't have to buy a 7990 to enjoy Rome II but that's what I did.I still think previous total war titles are very nice, I personally loved Napoleon total war, It was the first high end game in the Total War series imo, but Rome II ( When you have the Rig to run it on EXTREME all the way) is just another experience all together, then you realize Rome II is just the best total war game to date, when you get it working right.Edit: Sorry for the text block guyz, its not letting me do paragraphs!!

You would think that Rome 2 would look a whole lot better if it were actually made for high end rigs. Tell me, what exactly is it doing that necessitates such resources that Shogun 2 didn't do? The piss filter? The muddy textures, terrible AA and shadows, or muh "detailed facial animations", which, I have to admit would be rather spectacular if this were a Lovecraftian Total War (I know it's supposedly a bug, but still, it's ridiculous and happens constantly despite my very high end rig running this abortion on EXTREME settings)

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I load up Shogun 2 and I see a much more detailed, pretty game, with consistent visuals and and the sense of a game that had real effort put behind it. Maybe you would have a little bit of a point if the game looked like it did in promo shots, but it doesn't. And no, I don't think I will realize that Rome 2 is the "best total war game to date" when I take in to account the straight up retarded core design decisions and cut features.

[xeronak]

Shogun 2 also have problems during the first 2 weeks of release (no AA etc). Regarding titan rigs whatsoever base on my experience (maybe I'm just imagining, I don't know) at east with every new Total War release those who have problems are basically those who have current high end machines and those who have last generation high end machine doesn't seems to have much problems. Maybe because the game is developed when current mid range machines were the high-end at that time ?

I seems to remember this scenario with every TW games since M2TW (didn't join the forum pre-RTW release).

Every single benchmark out there reports that from the top all the way to the bottom, nobody can get smooth framerates in Rome 2. It doesnt matter if you have Titans and Haswell processors clocked to 5ghz or a mid-range ATI processor/card combo from 2010. The bottom line is that people with low end specs will say "good enough" and accept bad framerates because they are used to playing with a muddy 30 fps while people who actually invest like 3000$ in dual Titan setups and whatnot DEMAND and expect great performance for their level of hardware, which they arent getting.

Which is why you see plenty of idiots with 100$ cards spouting the "it runs fine for me" drivel everywhere you go, since for them "running fine" is like 1024x728 at 20 fps while I'm here touching my dick trying to run this thing on SLI 680s with an i7-3770k at 4.4ghz in 2560x1440 and getting an absolutely miserable experience.

[Totalheadache]

Every single benchmark out there reports that from the top all the way to the bottom, nobody can get smooth framerates in Rome 2. It doesnt matter if you have Titans and Haswell processors clocked to 5ghz or a mid-range ATI processor/card combo from 2010. The bottom line is that people with low end specs will say "good enough" and accept bad framerates because they are used to playing with a muddy 30 fps while people who actually invest like 3000$ in dual Titan setups and whatnot DEMAND and expect great performance for their level of hardware, which they arent getting.

Which is why you see plenty of idiots with 100$ cards spouting the "it runs fine for me" drivel everywhere you go, since for them "running fine" is like 1024x728 at 20 fps while I'm here touching my dick trying to run this thing on SLI 680s with an i7-3770k at 4.4ghz in 2560x1440 and getting an absolutely miserable experience.

+1 well said!

p.s although forcing fxaa and sweetfx is making the game playable for me (@1920x1200). I keep saying but we need to get rid of Warscape and move over to 64 bit. It is after all a PC exclusive and actually I have played better looking ports...

[Wittman]

Baleur what are your PC specs? My suspicion is that your PC is more than capable of playing medieval 2 at ultra but just can't really cope with Rome II's vastly increased resource demands. A lot of people on this forum are upset because they have PC's and Rome II doesn't look good on their ca. 2008 gaming rig. I run Rome II on extreme settings and believe me it is far better looking than Medieval 2. its not even close. I mean really, medieval 2 is like a 2006 release and we are halfway into 2013, there is no way Rome II looks worse than medieval 2 provided your machine can actually crank up the settings.

HA HA...HA
i have 7870,6gb ram and Intel Core i5-3350P Ivy Bridge 3.1GHz (3.3GHz Turbo) and the game runs like ,terrible performance!

[HiguraShiki]

HA HA...HA
i have 7870,6gb ram and Intel Core i5-3350P Ivy Bridge 3.1GHz (3.3GHz Turbo) and the game runs like ,terrible performance!

You do know that an i5 is a low-mid processor. If you had an i7, then your complaint would at least be a bit more valid.

[Cross_]

You do know that an i5 is a low-mid processor. If you had an i7, then your complaint would at least be a bit more valid.

The does have bad performance anyone can tell you that. I have a i5-3570k 3.40ghz(ivy bridge) but when I do a 4 on 4 even with all my setting to lowest I lag like crazy but I can do 2 on 2 and 3 on 3 with little lag until all the army's clash and I'm zoomed in with little lag.

[johnny_b_good]

You do know that an i5 is a low-mid processor. If you had an i7, then your complaint would at least be a bit more valid.

I5 is for rome 2? What a bad optimised game!

[Riekopo]

Rome has terrrible anti-aliasing. We also need to get that alpha filter or whatever it was back on.

[Hexcaliber]

Rome has terrrible anti-aliasing. We also need to get that alpha filter or whatever it was back on.

Rome II makes extensive use of shaders, none of which are compatible with older forms of Antialiasing such as multi sampling and super sampling, as the shaders are applied to the scene after the scene has been drawn. This is the reason people see corruption such as flashing textures when they force AA on in drivers. The only way to antialias screens with these shaders is to use shader techniques for AA such as mlaa, fxaa, and smaa, the devs at CA chose mlaa.

[FinkPloyd]

Rome II makes extensive use of shaders, none of which are compatible with older forms of Antialiasing such as multi sampling and super sampling, as the shaders are applied to the scene after the scene has been drawn.

Er AFAIK this has nothing to do with shaders, you are referring to the whole lack of AA in shogun2 at release , that is a deferred lighting , deferred shading issue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_shading

Shaders in Rome 2 are not implemented properly, go try changing shader settings in rome 2 v/s shogun 2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shader

[Ferdiad]

Rome has terrrible anti-aliasing. We also need to get that alpha filter or whatever it was back on.

Rome has no AA btw.

[beksibeksi]

Rome has no AA btw.

Or... you could all AA it manually with Nvidia Control Center.

[Ferdiad]

Or... you could all AA it manually with Nvidia Control Center.

I'm talking about he first Rome. The AA in that game was non-existent.

[HiguraShiki]

Just because it looks bad on your PC doesn't mean it looks bad in general. Look at Destrax's pics, wheres the terrible graphics you guys are complaining about?

[Remo]

Just because it looks bad on your PC doesn't mean it looks bad in general. Look at Destrax's pics, wheres the terrible graphics you guys are complaining about?

It's called Aesthetics, Rome 2 doesn't have it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oK8UTRgvJU