Realistic Units mod - heights and Roman Reskin

[neoptolemos]

Prom I gave you sources about the average heights in general and that of the Roman army (check the links) . If you are trying to be historically accurate (I think that's your point isn't it?) you should just make Greeks and Romans the same (under the group Mediterrenean). Anthonius also pointed out that even among the Greeks who Adamantius an ancient physician calls moderate tall ,Macedonians and I ll quote Xenophon, Spartans were even taller than the mean Greek height.Joining the ranks of Greek armies also had height prerequisites as you might know.
It is also utterly unfair to base the mean Greek height on Pompey low class citizens whose origins it is impossible to know and furthermore they were not by any means indicative of ancient Greek soldiers.

I am trying to give you some historical credentials to your otherwise splendid job.It is your call.

[Biggus Splenus]

If you are trying to be historically accurate (I think that's your point isn't it?) you should just make Greeks and Romans the same (under the group Mediterrenean).

I'd also like to see this

[PROMETHEUS ts]

As said I Did use historical data, but I can change the greeks according to the regiona provienence , and the different areas , like egypt , seleucids, macedon (wich according to my translation means high landers ) etc ...

[KR153]

Nice one, thanks! Question: When you can make them huge as on that screenshot, can you also slow them down so they move like giants would? Would be interesting for future total conversion mods... like cyclops.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

I think you can .

[jupsto]

Kind of wish I never looked at this mod because I never noticed how unrealistic is was before, and now I undoubtable will.

I'm interested how we know exactly how high different nations were.

one thing i'd like to say tho is that dwarves and giants are not exclusive to fantasy its just a matter of going far enough back in history to when there really were actual sub species of human, interacting and interbreeding such as neanderthals, denisovans, modern humans, floresiensis.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

Apart the heights , ( the legio Italica was made of all 1.80 tall Italic men btw ) ...

I noticed how all the Roman units arenot precise and mostly seem to have been arranged or done a fast work .

For example Praetorians are totally wrong , The Centurion is missing , No corniceans , The Generals have all Old, very Old remixes of weaponry and do not look like actual Roman Generals, Tribune, legatus also shoudl get a ddifferent armors etc ...

I will try to correct that as well truning this mod further on with a Realism oriented armor reform .

because despite marian and premarian are prety accurate most of the rest is not and seemed to had been rushed at the end of release time missing important details or completely forgetting about .

[Kristoff]

Apart the heights , ( the legio Italica was made of all 1.80 tall Italic men btw ) ...

I noticed how all the Roman units arenot precise and mostly seem to have been arranged or done a fast work .

For example Praetorians are totally wrong , The Centurion is missing , No corniceans , The Generals have all Old, very Old remixes of weaponry and do not look like actual Roman Generals, Tribune, legatus also shoudl get a ddifferent armors etc ...

I will try to correct that as well truning this mod further on with a Realism oriented armor reform .

because despite marian and premarian are prety accurate most of the rest is not and seemed to had been rushed at the end of release time missing important details or completely forgetting about .

Prometheus, that would be awesome! Romans (as tons of others) are indeed poorly designed with many historical mistakes. If I can suggest a few things:
- Proper outfit for legatus, of course, but you can also try to add to his "guards" 6 tribunes (it would be a nice touch with these "guards" representing in fact in Roman case a legatus and his staff)
- Proper principales for a centuria/manipule - centurion, signifer, cornicen (skip optio etc.) - if it's possible at all to add them
- Unmask signifers - now they're wearing cavalry helmets with masks... It's unfortunately widespread modern misconception with no historical background (except one unclear gravestone and Junkelmann's weak hypothesis)
- When adding crests to centurions helmets for Early Empire and later period remember, that they should look like made of birds' feathers, not horse hair. For this period all known images show exactly this - feathers
- Add much more variety to legionaries armour, helmets - hamata/squamata/segmentata, iron/brass galeas ect. Not they look unhistorically uniformed

[neoptolemos]

Great addition Prom (changes noted) , thanks for being open to suggestions mate

[OlivierL]

Thank you ! Strangely that was really annoying.
It seems to me that Italic tribes were not so different than other Indo-european people across Europe, so maybe CA didn't have the time to do the proper research? I hope this will be changed later by popular demand.
Does it work in multi-player since it's only cosmetic ? Were Phoenicians really this tall ?

[zonelord]

many thx m8

[FaLKReN]

I never noticed these height differences before I've seen you mod, now it's always going to bother me

[Enasteron]

Amazing job Prometheus +1 rep Thanks a lot.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

Thank you ! Strangely that was really annoying.
It seems to me that Italic tribes were not so different than other Indo-european people across Europe, so maybe CA didn't have the time to do the proper research? I hope this will be changed later by popular demand.
Does it work in multi-player since it's only cosmetic ? Were Phoenicians really this tall ?

For phoenicians I considered the Jews and semitic people of palestine wich the Phoenicians are related . but I am not sure it really mattters since they used mostly all mercs anyway so I might have to retouch that according to the origins of each of their units .

[Marcus Aemilius Lepidus]

In case of the Praetorians i would have expected at least a Scorpion Symbol on the shields. CA used like in Rome1 a parade uniform to seperate them from the usual legionaries, but this could have been solved otherwise. After all a find of a shield with an scorpion on it, is the one and only artifact were the archaeologist can say this was probably something that belongs to the praetorians.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

Yes I already tought of giving them that shield hexagonal for praetorian cavlary but , is there a praetorian cavalry ingame?

Also did anyoen see this Imperial attic helmet ingame?

I also noticed that nO german is blond , or am I wrong?

I will also make a list of all roman units and check the needed changes ...

I hope that more than one officer is possible to be added.

[torongill]

Very good work, Prometheus!

[Jackie Chan's Brother Wang...]

This is save game compatible right?

[Beorg]

So the average Romans are the size of average modern Northern Italians?

Great joke, mate.

[Menumorut]

Haha, i really like this, barbarians are on steroids now