ive got a problem for y'all to solve...

[Oddball_E8]

well... heres the deal...
ive installed RTW, then BI, then 1.6 patch, then RTRPE 1.4, 1.6 and 1.7beta and lastly Candelarius' Extended Realism Mod for RTRPE on top of that...

and ive changed some of the skins and models of the units after that (mainly the greeks...)
so nothing fancy and earth shatteringly hard then...

heres the problem... i start a new campaign... attack a city with a unit of athenian hoplites, greek hoplites and militia hoplites each... battle starts loading.. game crashes...

-show_err message: cannot find data/CTM/hellenist/hoplite_21.tga.psm
well... thats no surprise, since IM USING HOPLITE_24.TGA AS A TEXTURE FOR THAT UNIT! (cheked it out... it was the militia hoplites)
so why does it look for hoplite_21.tga.PSM???

oh well... i want to finish the fight... so i copy the original (RTRPE) model_battle data for the militia hoplites to my modded version...
there... now it should use the following texture: data/RTR/models_unit/textures/greek_militiahoplite.tga

so... i start up the same game.. same battle... it loads fine...
aaaand... now my militia hoplites are the old RTW originals! but not only that... THEYRE MACEDONIANS!!!

i just dont know what to do now...
anyone got a sollution?

[JoeyJubb]

Have you tried just whacking a .PSM on the end of the texture file?

[Oddball_E8]

well... its not just the .psm part...
the texture im using is hoplite_24... what it sais is hoplite_21
i have a texture called hoplite_21, but that wont work on that model...
and whyyyyyyyyyyyy is it using the original RTW skins when i put in the RTR versions in the modle_battle file???

[vikrant]

hoplite_21.tga.PSM
dude i have never seen such a file
may be itwas some typo error
{psm what type of extension is that}
hope u saved skins in dds format if u edited any.
good luck

and i think this belogs to mod workshop

quote and post texts u edited in DMB

[Oddball_E8]

actually i didnt edit the skin... i just downloaded a skin and used it... juuust like all the other skins ive used...

and heres the wierd part... ive used it before... for that exact unit... no problems...

so yeah im baffled by the .psm extention...
but im even more baffled by the fact that when i revert to the old RTR originals it reverts to the RTW macedonian ones... very very wierd...
im gonna sit down and check all other nations now...

EDIT: whist checking the custom battles i noticed that militia hoplites are not available for the greek cities in custom battles...
and they should, since the attribute "no custom" isnt on militia hoplites in the EDU...
this just gets stranger by the minute...

EDIT2: LET THE TOTAL WIERDNESS BEGIN!..
ok... so i did a little experiment... i changed the data a little in the EDU so that the greek militia hoplite uses the illyrian light hoplite model instead...
that model has also been edited by me... its name is as follows (full filestructure) data/CTM/hellenist/model_12.TGA
now heres what happened (it crashed of course) with the -show_err message... data/CTM/hellenist/textures/tex2.psd cannot be found...
WTF??? ok this is just too damned wierd... im gonna uninstall the whole thing and start from scratch... freaky freaky...


EDIT3 (yeah... thats alot of edits):
uninstalled the entire lot... restarted the computer... installed RTW, BI, Patch 1.6, RTWE 1.4, RTWE 1.6, RTWE 1.7beta, Candelarius mod...
and now it works... RTR textures on the militia hoplites and no crashes so far... but ive only replaced the spartan textures so far... i think ill keep it to a minimum this time... probarbly just replace the armored hoplites and athenians too (why the heck do the athenians have heavy armor and yet the description says they were the first to use the new light armor types??? stupid)
but the militias still dont show up on the list of units in custom battles... dunno whats causing that...

[Salvor Hardin]

Welcome to "I love (modding) this game". Today we are talking about weird error messages. Sometimes, when I have made a mistake in DMB, the error message has no relationship with the unit that is producing the mistake. I experienced the same problem when I started adding the Judean units to 77 BC and the program started giving me a problem regarding the "Carthaginian Royal Cavalry". Which I had not touched, of course. Sometimes it has given the proper error message, though.
So I would suggest you to add only one unit at a time and after that make a quick test with custom battle. This way, if you have a mistake, you know where it is located regardless of the message that the game gives. This is what I do, in fact.

[Oddball_E8]

thanx... i will... usually i do too, but since i was just transfering my old mods (or skinjobs to abuse a nice little moviequote) from the old DMB and EDU to the new ones i just cut and pasted...

it might have something to do (now that i have the benefit of hindsight) with the fact that i removed some unused entries in the DMB (for example, i put the cretan archers to use the greek archers model and deleted the separate cretan archers model entry)

oh well... all water under the bridge now... ive re-installed and just gonna do some slight changes now... athenian hoplites, spartan hoplites and armored hoplites will be changed
athenians need less armor (their description says they were pioneers in the new type of light armored hoplites and yet they wear the old type bronze armor and have an armor rating higher than armored hoplites??? get a grip!)
spartans need more armor (come on! they did use leather armor, just like most other hoplites... the model used in RTR is based on some freaky osprey picture of a spartan hoplite not in combat... hes even wearing the red cape that they didnt use in battle!)
aaaaaand the armored hoplites just need to be changed... i think theyre ugly (no offence to the one who made them... tastes vary man... good workmanship tho)