Complaints must equal game understanding

**ImperatorLJ** · September 09, 2013, 01:50 AM

Basically, just a friendly reminder to make sure you've read up on the issue you are having before launching into a rant. I've had some issues with game mechanics that frustrated me until I looked up tips here in the forums or in the encyclopedia.

I feel like a lot of the complaints from people stem from a lack of understanding of a game mechanic. Not that those people are bad or anything!

**Cruzz** · September 09, 2013, 01:53 AM

If I can easily win on legendary (not counting the sheer amount of physical time it requires because of the ridiculous victory conditions), can I assume that I understand the new mechanics well enough to call them all bad?

**Rittsy** · September 09, 2013, 01:58 AM

Yes, but if you went through an entire legendary campaign, the assumption is you either enjoyed yourself or are a masochist.

**Cruzz** · September 09, 2013, 02:04 AM

I didn't even finish, I gave up halfway through the victory conditions because I couldn't take the stupidly long turns and the huge amounts of time watching stupid animations for autocalc were taking. With how passive the AI is it's obvious I already won by the time I had become the biggest faction and got so much money per turn that giving an AI 100k for some crappy agreement was perfectly reasonable, grinding out another 100 provinces after that started feeling preeeetty stupid by the time I hit the 40 province mark.

It's just one bad mechanic among many, but atleast this one would be super easy to fix. Whether or not they will actually fix it is a different question though.

**HiguraShiki** · September 09, 2013, 02:48 AM

Originally Posted by Cruzz

I didn't even finish, I gave up halfway through the victory conditions because I couldn't take the stupidly long turns and the huge amounts of time watching stupid animations for autocalc were taking. With how passive the AI is it's obvious I already won by the time I had become the biggest faction and got so much money per turn that giving an AI 100k for some crappy agreement was perfectly reasonable, grinding out another 100 provinces after that started feeling preeeetty stupid by the time I hit the 40 province mark.

It's just one bad mechanic among many, but atleast this one would be super easy to fix. Whether or not they will actually fix it is a different question though.

Well hey, people wanted a longer game, that's what they got.
As for the AI, yea they may need a bit of fixing, but that is to be expected in any total war game.

**Konfuzfanten** · September 09, 2013, 04:18 AM

Originally Posted by Rittsy

Yes, but if you went through an entire legendary campaign, the assumption is you either enjoyed yourself or are a masochist.

Because i want the unlock

**Rittsy** · September 09, 2013, 02:14 AM

Okay. Than yes, you can assume that you understand the new mechanics well enough to call them all bad.

**Riekopo** · September 09, 2013, 02:32 AM

The fact that game mechanics are a mystery is just another example of a bad game.

**CTD_or_Bust** · September 09, 2013, 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by ImperatorLJ

Basically, just a friendly reminder to make sure you've read up on the issue you are having before launching into a rant. I've had some issues with game mechanics that frustrated me until I looked up tips here in the forums or in the encyclopedia.

I feel like a lot of the complaints from people stem from a lack of understanding of a game mechanic. Not that those people are bad or anything!

You're stepping into the lions den and telling them not to prey on sheep. Creative Assembly staff have thick skins and can handle wading through countless reports that stem from a lack of understanding instead of a genuine game error. This is ground zero for people that spend more time complaining than playing.

Bless your heart for trying but it's not a battle you will win.

**DeVrie** · September 09, 2013, 02:47 AM

Originally Posted by CTD_or_Bust

You're stepping into the lions den and telling them not to prey on sheep. Creative Assembly staff have thick skins and can handle wading through countless reports that stem from a lack of understanding instead of a genuine game error. This is ground zero for people that spend more time complaining than playing.

Bless your heart for trying but it's not a battle you will win.

LOL. Yes, fly you fools. *Falls into the chasm with Rome2*

**~~beksibeksi~~** · September 09, 2013, 02:51 AM

Ya, this is always a good idea.
The problem is that the AI doesn't use these same mechanics properly, so it's hard to learn them.
For example I've not yet played one battle where the AI used ladders or galleries.
First time I saw them was when I got bored and decided to build some.

**HiguraShiki** · September 09, 2013, 03:07 AM

Originally Posted by beksibeksi

Ya, this is always a good idea.
The problem is that the AI doesn't use these same mechanics properly, so it's hard to learn them.
For example I've not yet played one battle where the AI used ladders or galleries.
First time I saw them was when I got bored and decided to build some.

Main problem with the AI imo is that they just don't know how to attack properly. They tend to just send all their units en masse. Also when they are being harrassed by skirmishers they dono when to attack as well.

**~~beksibeksi~~** · September 09, 2013, 03:11 AM

Originally Posted by HiguraShiki

Main problem with the AI imo is that they just don't know how to attack properly. They tend to just send all their units en masse. Also when they are being harrassed by skirmishers they dono when to attack as well.

I see what you mean by skirmishers. I killed 1400 and lost 7 with horse archers alone.
Sending units en mass has been a staple of TW AI for a while now.

**OCTAVIUS VATCO 22** · September 09, 2013, 03:34 AM

Referring to angryjoe's rant his naval battle video, I agree with the OP

**kerrfox** · September 09, 2013, 03:57 AM

Originally Posted by ImperatorLJ

...I feel like a lot of the complaints from people stem from a lack of understanding of a game mechanic.

Very true. It has some faults, but much of the criticism is exactly as you describe. For example the "other forum" had someone complain about how - despite all the armies and navies being commanded by members of his ruling family - he still suffered a civil war!

**Heinz Guderian** · September 09, 2013, 04:24 AM

people fear and react with hostility to those things that they do not understand. its how i got an ASBO and am banned from Worcester city centre

**Yerevan** · September 09, 2013, 05:19 AM

Originally Posted by ImperatorLJ

Basically, just a friendly reminder to make sure you've read up on the issue you are having before launching into a rant. I've had some issues with game mechanics that frustrated me until I looked up tips here in the forums or in the encyclopedia.

I feel like a lot of the complaints from people stem from a lack of understanding of a game mechanic. Not that those people are bad or anything!

Yes ! And this CA bashing is beginning to be pointless. THey are maybe as many nice innovations that flaws in this game. But no one can deny that BAI and CAI are a total downer.