DIPLOMACY BUG - Balance of power CHANGES on list, but LOCKED 50-50 IN NEGOTIATIONS - AI are deluded as result

[DakkaDon]

Hey guys, you're incredibly powerful. You're the dominant power crushing some city state. You've routed his armies and sunk his ships. He's down to his final city, but you want a buffer zone (you're a benevolent emperor), so you let offer him peace. But he turns you down....? And you notice the balance of power bar in the top right is at 50-50.....?

If thats you, you're one of the many victims of a major bug I havent seen TWC talk about. The power bar changes on the faction list, but locks on diplomacy, and the behaviour of the AI follows. They're not badly programmed, just bugged out into insane confidence.

It's mentioned in this thread here, but we need more people to check and find out if they suffer so we can get a hotfix stat! Because this really does seem like it could be a simple fix.

http://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/com...ocked_at_5050/

Are you experiencing it too? Thanks!

[MDeLiso]

Yes, absolutely. I thought I was crazy when I was seeing this but I'm glad you posted this cause it's definitely a problem that needs to be addressed.

[DakkaDon]

Thanks! We need to spread the word!!! Its affecting so many people who just plain dont realise that's whats happening. And we need to make sure it's on CA's radar!

[DakkaDon]

Thanks! We need to spread the word!!! Its affecting so many people who just plain dont realise that's whats happening. And we need to make sure it's on CA's radar!

[TuranianGhazi]

Oh is THAT why single-region Dahae never accepted my Satrapy offer, no matter how large Parthia got?

Nice find!

[Cadian Guardsman]

I never actually noticed this, I always looked onto the pre-negotiation balance of power which said I was horrendously powerful yet they always were like no, our 1 stack army can hold of your 5 stack force nestled on our borders......

[Grimbold]

You know what else is silly? Me, as a noteworthy power, being approached by smaller factions and being demanded high amounts of gold in exchange for non agression pacts or trade agreements.

Or some small city state having the nerve of breaking trade agreements or that same pact with me. Puny welps, i should run my armies through your lands!

[Aelita]

Just noticed this, it exsplains a lot of the problems i was having, hope it is fixed in the week 2 patch!!!

[DakkaDon]

I think this is affecting a HUGE number of players, but nobody is noticing. WE NEED TO SPREAD THE WORD Good luck guys, but seriously if you can mention it as often as possible. I cant handle it not being fixed by next week, I wanna subjugate!

[Kenios]

You can simply attack the city, then select the subjugate option after the battle.

[Nota']

It doesn't work if they own more then one region and the region doesn't have an emergent faction based there.

[Troabarton89]

This must be affecting everyone. Diplomatic AI more or less fixed due to 1 thread

[Kimmy]

Yup, crushed a faction to it's last city, besieging it: Me: "Hey dude-that-is-absolutely-screwed, want peace?" AI: "HNNNNGokfineifyouinsist." Me: "How about peace and a trade agreement?" AI: "HOW DARE YOU!?"

[ImperatorGregus]

Diplomacy in Total War titles was always a problem but with Rome II it has reached an even higher level...good that you have spotted this.

[EmperorJulian]

I must admit I had not really noticed this myself. Of course there's much information in Rome 2 that isn't intuitively obvious (as it were); it took me a long time, for example, to figure out who my faction leader was when I first started. But now that you mention it, I now realize that the little "slider", which I didn't really understand in the first place, never changes much either way. I guess that is accounted for by this gem of a problem - no wonder even as a large regional power I can't get OPMs to even consider a trade pact. Hopefully, this will be easy to fix in an upcoming patch, let's just hope it doesn't get ignored as being too irrelevant to trifle with.

[MathiasOfAthens]

Hope a modder or CA can change this because it was an incredibly infuriating problem in Rome I and every subsequent title. If you rout every army they should just ing surrender to the most magnanimous treaties ever. .

[DrunkNIrishMan]

Went back and checked it out after seeing this thread- definitely happening in my game as well. At first I figured the exorbitant amount of money the AI was asking for in return for trade agreements was just a hard % of my treasury, as I can currently fill the Mediterranean with denarii. This makes much more sense.

Hopefully there's a large diplomacy overhaul, because subjugated nations don't reset their diplomatic status, meaning newly conquered client states are still at war with your other ones. Super frustrating.

[Gerleman]

Damn, that explains so much! Thanks for finding this!

[Veni]

Yeah I have the same problem in my Parthia campaign, I have only managed to subjugate 2 factions 150 turns into the game. I have to conquer every city before I can do it usually. Trade agreements are almost impossible to achieve, but it has been a little better as I've expanded. Also the A.I has become a little more active in asking for trade and non-agression pacts, but making Satraps is really rare. A fix would this would be great!

[Mage de Taverne]

Yep, same here, I was just hoping only the interface was bugged..