Getae faction broke

[dlcatalin]

Hello,
I have a problem, i want to play as Getae but i can't because as soon as i start the game the faction is runing on like -6000 income, and there's 5+ rebel armies all around, and i have only 1 region, i conquered 4 and im still broke, wtf is wrong with the income ? I don't want to use cheats ...

[Petite Wolf]

At first it can be quite difficult to get used to the beginning of campaigns in EB - especially ones you aren't used to - but as the Getai it is quite simple. Here's how you do it.

First, take both armies circled below and the entire garrison, except your FM, of your city, and join them together.

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Once that is done, it should look something like the image below, which is a far large enough army to take the city to your north.

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Once the army is joined, send it north. Once that city is taken, send it south west, and once that city is taken, send it south east, as detailed in the image below:

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You can choose to starve the cities out or you can choose to just assault them, but either way you begin with more than enough troops to take all three cities, and once those are under your belt your economy should be fine. Be warned, however, that you WILL go in to debt while on your quest to take these cities. It is unavoidable in my experience and honestly isn't a big deal, as with four cities you should be making money each turn, which means a short stint of just ending turn after turn until you're out of debt.. As long as you don't have some realistic movement mod or something on and are still using vanilla EB movement, no rebels should attack your city at all. Oh, also remember to put your original city on Very High tax settings at the beginning, just to negate a little bit of that deficit. You can turn it down later if you don't like that setting, but it helps save you a couple hundred mnai each turn.

Hope this helps!

[Titus Marcellus Scato]

Great tips by Petite Wolf, but I'd just like to warn dicatalin that the two towns to the southeast (Singidunum and Naisson) have some seriously hard elite units in them, like Thraikioi Rhomphaiaphoroi (Elite Thracian Infantry) and Cordinau Orca (Scordisci Elite Infantry) who are heavily armed and well armoured and make your own infantry look like pussies in comparison. So I'd definitely recommend long seiges to starve half of them to death before they sally out. You should have at least a 3 to 1 numerical advantage in your favour before fighting those guys. Kallatis over to the east is a much easier target, just levy hoplites and Dacian phalanxes over there, I go for that after taking Sarmiszeguthusa.

[dlcatalin]

Thank you for the great advice but i fixed it. I started another campaign, i left 1 general in my province, made a big army with the rest and took Sarmiszeguthusa with it. Then knowing that in reality Sarmi was a very rich in gold province i added myself 50 000 money lol. Hired a bunch of dacian-tracian mercenaries and took 5 historical provinces to make the Dacia of Burebista, by the time this was over i reached a confortable sum of 5000 money and gained 5 provinces. Then i disbanded all the mercenaries. Now all 5 provinces have a 2-3 unit garrison and i have a 6 unit standing army and a +income of 500 money. Even if i cheated my conscience is clear because i think this is fair Now i can enjoy the game with no use of cheats Seriously it's absurd to gain from taking over Sarmi something around 300-400 money, not even enough to hire a squad of mercenaries, Sarmi had TONS of gold, and that area in Romania is still FULL of gold, a canadian gold company if trying as we speak to steal that gold from us using our corrupt government.

[Entropy Judge]

Even if i cheated my conscience is clear because i think this is fair

Just remember, you're not allowed to actually win, this game, and you have to make sure the Romans do win. That would be fair, after all - you cheated because of "reality" and "historical," so you have to make sure the other factions go the same way.

[dlcatalin]

Lol now that would mean taking things a bit too far

[War lord]

So you cheated? Lovely.

[yuezhi]

@dlcatalin you seem rather contemptuous towards foreigners

anyways someone mentioned elite infantry. my solution is to spam anti-armour especially slingers and falxmen.

also it's worth noting that seizing the coast east of your starting point is a good idea for several reasons:

• it'll open up trade opportunites that are quicker and more accessible; mining requires a motherload of money and turns for construction to make it all worth it.
• Kallatis in particular is a greek colony and tends to have hoplites, easy pickings for your falxmen.
• Also Kallatis is the southern starting point of the Amber Road, the European equivalent to the silk road.

That is all Munifex. Carpe Diem.

Oh and beware, some guy possibly herodotus mentioned that there are werewolves up north. you got a lot of work cut out for you, dracula.

[Petite Wolf]

Great tips by Petite Wolf, but I'd just like to warn dicatalin that the two towns to the southeast (Singidunum and Naisson) have some seriously hard elite units in them, like Thraikioi Rhomphaiaphoroi (Elite Thracian Infantry) and Cordinau Orca (Scordisci Elite Infantry) who are heavily armed and well armoured and make your own infantry look like pussies in comparison. So I'd definitely recommend long seiges to starve half of them to death before they sally out.

That is exactly what I do. You start off with enough troops to easily take the three settlements near you, given some patience. The two after Sarmiszegethusa have elite units in them, so assaulting the walls is suicide. BUT you begin with 5 Komatai, three archers and three cavalry units, if you include your generals. That makes those supposedly "elite" forces useless in an open field against your army.

You should have at least a 3 to 1 numerical advantage in your favour before fighting those guys. Kallatis over to the east is a much easier target, just levy hoplites and Dacian phalanxes over there, I go for that after taking Sarmiszeguthusa.

You're exactly right. It is weakly defended. But it is also farther away. The distance you need to travel to get to it and back combined with its weak garrison mean that you can quite easily take all three of the settlements I listed and STILL have enough troops to march east to Kallatis and take that. It's exactly what I did in my own campaign and it worked out perfectly for me.

I've tried taking Kalatis first and taking it after Sarmiszegethusa, but its weak garrison and distance are enough for me to leave it until after I've dealt with the stronger settlements nearby. It's also about time. Why gather your forces up and move them north west, take a city, then turn around and head all the way back east, take another city, and then march your troops all the way back west again to take another two cities? It's far more time efficient in my opinion to take the three closest settlements first, as you can really just do a small loop to do so, and then head east to the coast.

Kallatis is absolutely a great city to take and should be high on your list of priorities, as it not only gives you trade via the sea, but also a wonderful selection of units to recruit, but because of the reasons I listed above - weaker garrison, a long distance away and in the opposite direction of every other city you should be trying to take early on, etc - I don't think it should be your second city to take.

In fact, I think another terribly edited image is in order .

Now, you're going to take all four of these cities anyway. Buridava, Sarmiszegethusa, Kallatis, Naissos and Singidunum are the five settlements that will form the base of your kingdom. You're going to take them all eventually, so the question you need to ask yourself is "in which order do I want to take them?" You could take them in this order:

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The problem with this, however, is the distance you need to travel both there and back in order to do so. I think I tried doing it this way in my first Getai campaign, and by the time I was actually making money I'd managed to reach something ridiculous like a 20,000 mnai deficit that I needed to pay off before I had any money to do anything with. I much prefer to do it this way:

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I like doing it this way not only because it saves time, but because it allows you to take out the more deadly garrisons first. Sarmiszegethusa, Singidunum and Naissos all have quite challenging garrisons, and against Singidunum and Naissos, assaulting the walls is sheer suicide. So instead of heading to Sarmiszegethusa and then heading east, I think it is much better to have as many troops as possible against the more elite garrisons of Singidunum and Naissos. It's just my opinion, however. And OMG did I ramble on for a long time :O

[dlcatalin]

@yuezhi, i'm not contemptuous to foreigners at all, i said "canadian company" because the company is based in Canada do not confuse canadian company with the canadian people
People are in no way, shape or form responsible to what some greedy rich fat bastards that own big companies do to other people

[dlcatalin]

OMG !! I just saw that building mines give +2000 a turn, ok im starting a new game, no more cheats this time I'm new to this mod, i will use my head from now on instead of my imagination lol

[Brihentin13]

Nah, even with cheats, Rome must fall. That's a huge part of EB in my opinion. Either you must play as Rome and defeat these tougher and more realistic "barbarians", or you must crush their puny republic in the name of Sucellos...I mean, uh...freedom! Yeah! I'm not a Gallic religious fanatic no... And dlcatlin, my heart goes out to you brother. I've seen greedy corrupt corporations steal a few things from my family over the years(Damn condo developers). Its a shame for your country. That gold could really help your economy out. From what I understand, European economies are in even worse shape than America's. That said, before anyone twists my words to supporting socialism, I'm still a believer in capitalism. I just recognize that some people abuse their freedom to hurt others..

[Entropy Judge]

OMG !! I just saw that building mines give +2000 a turn, ok im starting a new game, no more cheats this time I'm new to this mod, i will use my head from now on instead of my imagination lol

A word of advice: The description is off. The building does not give you +2K/turn. The number listed is the increase per year, although I *think* it's also affected by the number of Precious Metal Veins in the region, as well as whether they're lesser or Greater Value. You can see the actual value increase in the Trade section of the Settlement screen, IIRC ... and also, make sure you take note of how expensive it is and how long it takes to build (12 turns for the base version, I believe).

[dlcatalin]

Yes i figured out that the description of the mine income is a lie lol.

Here is how i did my conquest, very similar to what you guys said.



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Red line, my conquest of territory.
Blue line, war with Macedonia.

I also moved my capital to Sarmisegetuza because that was the historical capital of Dacia
Other notes :
- I play on medium difficulty on both settings
- I make heavy use of units that can throw stuff at people before engaging in melee, and i always keep 2 dacian archers in my army, i find 2 units or archers quite decimating, i always murder 5-7% of the enemy army before the battle even starts with archers, even on sieges i shoot over the wall
- I teached my little "barbarians" the art of war fare and clever formations and tactics I can barely wait to CLASH with one of the roman legions.






EDIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------- I forgot about Kallatis, i took it before Tilis.

[Brihentin13]

Another fun hing about this mod is to roleplay a little. Bend history to your whim. There's a lot of "what if" scenarios that you can play out here. Perhaps you can lead your ancestors to glory? Maybe Romania can be the seat of a world power? Why not ensure your people's freedom for all eternity by crushing those who would invade your lands? Show those imperialist dogs in Rome the strength of your blood! Prey upon the weaknesses of the collapsing Hellenic world! Whatever you do, treat the Celts with respect in your empire please. I'm always kind to the Getai, and my people make fantastic mercs for your armies .

[Glaive]

Getae are one of my favourite factions; their diversity of troops is excellent.

Don't worry too much about the expensive, elite troops as one of Getae's strongest features is that their cheap troops are great, especially once they have some experience. The various types that cost under 300 per turn are more than enough in the early stages (Komatai, Komatai Sphendonetai, Drapanai, Getikoi Stratiotai & Thraikioi Doryphoroi).

For the cavalry, use Skythian riders/horse archers early on as they're cheaper than their Getae equivalent. You gain access to these by taking Kallatis.

[Petite Wolf]

What Entropy said. Mines seem amazing and do increase your income a fair bit, but at the same time they also take a LONG time to build and cost a lot of money, and generally speaking you're better off getting cheaper, quicker economic buildings first, and then getting mines when you can actually afford to.

[dlcatalin]

I started another game, with no cheats, and after a few hours this is the result :



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20+ Victories and only 1 defeat, i was defeated in the early days when i tried to conquer my 3rd town lol.

I was allied with Seleukids, Rome and Macedonia, but i saw out of the blue Macedonian troops trespassing on my territory so i knew immediately that they will backstab me very soon so i prepared an army near their border, close to one of their cities.

A few turns later they betrayed me and sieged my town of Constantinople, the Seleucid took their side and broke our alliance, then i immediately moved my army and took their northern town and slaughtered everyone inside as a lesson to all of the traitors. Rome keeps it's alliance with me, so i moved to make friends with the enemies of Macedonia and turn the tables around because i had a poor army fatigued by constant battles, so i allied myself with the Hellenes and Epyrus, both are at war with Macedonia.

Out of the blue a fresh Macedonian army greatly outnumbering my poor little army came to take their city back, but i slaughtered them in a glorious victory by ambushing and surrounding their general Then i moved the rest of my weak tired army to relief Constantinople from the deadly siege and again i managed to beat the besiegers to dust. I left the garrison army under AI control and i was amazed how well they slammed the Macedonian phalanx formations from the back. They the prize of the war, i took the Macedonian capital, and to show them my honor i simply occupied it. Out of respect for such a great people.

Now i have 9 regions under my control, all with 6 units garrison and i have a standing army composed of 11 units.

Since the Macedon broke our alliance and tried to bring harm to my people, i shall keep their 2 regions i conquered, including their capital as compensation for the costs this war has brought onto me, and for the lives lost. I am desperately seeking to make peace with them, it will be a shame to see such a great nation vanish so early, i even tried to offer them vassalage but they are too proud. I guess total destruction is the only option.

[yuezhi]

u forgot poland 2!
jk
And I see the arverni have Galatia. Now that's rich.

I suggest you crimea and bastarnolandam to the northeast and north respectively. both crimean cities will give you more trade and some awesome archers. bastarnae territory is lightly inhabited and allows recruitment of falxmen on par with rhomphaiaroi.

Have you remembered to enable the ===>EB SCRIPT<=== yet? If not, listen to your good advisor and click "Show me how" when he asks you to, or you won't get the real EB experience! The advisor may pop up at other times too, but unlike Vanilla RTW, in EB he always has something important to tell you. Ignore him at your peril . You may want to check the EB FAQ at http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=84854

Just out of curiosity is your advice level on high because I don't think that adviser should be showing especially this late in the campaign.

[dlcatalin]

u forgot poland 2!
jk
And I see the arverni have Galatia. Now that's rich.

I suggest you crimea and bastarnolandam to the northeast and north respectively. both crimean cities will give you more trade and some awesome archers. bastarnae territory is lightly inhabited and allows recruitment of falxmen on par with rhomphaiaroi.


Just out of curiosity is your advice level on high because I don't think that adviser should be showing especially this late in the campaign.

My advisor is turner off, but he keeps appearing because i didn't load the EB script, if i load it, my gameplay gets choppy and laggy as hell, i don't know why ... but i just can't play with it activated (Yes i have a pc, but i can play Empire Total war fine on it, even Rome 2, but im waiting for a patch to give it more performance)

I really have no clue how the Arveni managed to move into Anatolia lol. I was more than surprised to see they moved their capital there. I guess they bought it with a diplomat or something. This mod is awesome !!!!