Pro's and cons, but for me the mayor problem is the complete lack of emersion

[Maximus Macro]

Pro:
new agent systhem
diplomacy structure by wich i mean the new negotiation options,but at the moment its terribly unbalanced

Cons:
complete lack of emmersion, i do not feel like im really in control of a faction,dynasty/general,i feel a complete lack of connection to my generals and familymembers wich for me was the best thing about the game.Who else remembers generals from years ago wich you really connected with and had epic adventures/conquests with? Now generals are just bland faceless placefillers. Theres no real connection with your faction to it feels to me like the campaign map is transformed from an emmersive world to just a superficial,bland attempt to somehow give meaning to the batlles but in reality it feels like you just picked a colour with some different units and just take city recover and endless repeat.
No familytree
unbalanced diplomacy
average graphics ( i run everything on highest settings and it looks mediocer)
politic systhem is completly redundant, by the lack of a familytree it seems disconnected from your generals,familymembers and lacks real influance




For me the basic gamestructure of rome I added with new graphics,new diplomatic/agent systhem,naval battles, revamped campaign map would have been perfect. CA has ripped out the backbone of the series by simplifying and dumbing down its core( and its not like romeI,medievalII had a steap learning curve to begin with). for me the emmersive feeling of the campaign map of previous titles was what gave the battles meaning, now it just seems pointless and arcady. the current campaign gameplay is just a shell to loosly tie the battles together compared to rome I and the work mods like Roma Surrectum II,RTR 7 and EB have produced.

Games like medieval II and rome I i played since realease and still do, i have Rome II 2 days and i already am reluctand to play it wich my 6 campaigns with different factions all maybe max 20 turns in prove.

So basicly my point is that the total lack of emmersion and bonding with your characters,armies and faction and the dumbing down the core of the game ( the campaign map play) to draw in all the little kids has crippled my favorite game series.

[stevehoos]

What we have here is CA tried to pretty up the arcade gutless pig in their new attempt for a new demographic -mainly teenagers-. But what happened is they mucked up the pig and now he is ugly aesthetically as well as having no guts. It's all so damn convivial, I hope this company gets what is coming; that is a perch with EA as the kings of gaming fraud.

[Dbx125]

What we have here is CA tried to pretty up the arcade gutless pig in their new attempt for a new demographic -mainly teenagers-. But what happened is they mucked up the pig and now he is ugly aesthetically as well as having no guts. It's all so damn convivial, I hope this company gets what is coming; that is a perch with EA as the kings of gaming fraud.

Sorry, I agree with you...but please PLEASE dont blame teenagers or whatever for this new direction. It IS NOT teenagers fault. I was a teenager in the old games and I enjoyed them far more. Teenagers havnt changed the direction, they always have and always will play these games. CA's lazyness changed the direction.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

sorry what are the new diplomatic options?

I can't even trade exchange cities, make advanced diplomacy or anything else .

[Maximus Macro]

isnt that obvious its the things like non aggresion pact ,defensive alliance,military alliance i liked. since im an advocate of the "olden" ways the things scrapped from previous released games like "I can't even trade exchange cities, make advanced diplomacy or anything else" are not mentioned but are missed by me. cause i can only comment on the reality of what is and was there.

[Maximus Macro]

isnt that obvious its the things like non aggresion pact ,defensive alliance,military alliance i liked. since im an advocate of the "olden" ways the things scrapped from previous released games like "I can't even trade exchange cities, make advanced diplomacy or anything else" are not mentioned but are missed by me. cause i can only comment on the reality of what is and was there. + i said that it was terriblly unbalanced at the moment

[PROMETHEUS ts]

sorry what are the new diplomatic options?

I can't even trade exchange cities, make advanced diplomacy or anything else .

[jtfjtfjtf]

Just on a visual level the UI is awful. I loved Shogun 2's UI. It was just oozing with style and the unified art style was great. It felt right and even FOTS gave a good presentation of a japan that was industrializing with an art style that resembled 19th century photos. Rome 2 really lacks that. CA should have created multiple culture UIs on the level of Shogun's that brought you into the factions of Rome. But they all use the ugly new UI that is so bland and lifeless.

[Maximus Macro]

Just on a visual level the UI is awful. I loved Shogun 2's UI. It was just oozing with style and the unified art style was great. It felt right and even FOTS gave a good presentation of a japan that was industrializing with an art style that resembled 19th century photos. Rome 2 really lacks that. CA should have created multiple culture UIs on the level of Shogun's that brought you into the factions of Rome. But they all use the ugly new UI that is so bland and lifeless.

i agree and disagree on that one. its true the visual level is rushed simplified and dull but in reality that doesnt even matter to me. the cancer of modern games and even movies are that its all about the aestethics and the gameplay/plot is second. the aesthetic shortcommings even the graphics dont make this game not enjoyable to me its the stripped down,simplified arcady core gameplay on the most important part of the game the campaign map cause the campaign map is the backbone that gives the batlles meaning. without this it becomes just pointless battles loosly stringed together by a shallow shadow of what it should have been and once was in Rome I and MedievalII hell even Shogun II was enjoyable