Anyone knows how Crusades move to target citty?

[PorT_Lobo]

I see in several screenshots and read about it but still have doubts....

When Pope calls for a Crusade he gives us 10 rounds to create a crusade army..... but where it is created? In desert near target or in our own lands? If so how it goes to target? Because in screenshots it appears in desert and we dont see any explored countrys in his path, so i assume that crusade army didn't pass in other lands...




I'm confused .... anyone knows how this work?

[Gaius Baltar]

Maybe its like MTW the original, where a icon passes through your territory and absorbs some men from your army.

[Vash_the_stampede]

1. I remember seeing a video in which a crusader army was created: You get a Pope mission, click on an army and make it a crusader army. It was in France at that point of time btw and the mission's target was something in Scandinavia IIRC. This means you can create a crusader army anywhere, the question is only: Will it ever arrive?
2. In THIS particular shot, I guess the army was spawned for the sake of the screenshot.

[Jumalkeisari]

Like Vash said, most likely you gather up an army, or select an existing army, make it a Crusader army and ship them off with a boat or something to wherever they're supposed to be crusading.

[Space Voyager]

You can recrout special crusader units and while moving you're hiring mercs.

[Grand Duke Vytautas]

As far as I know about how crusades work from all the M2TW reviews and videos I've seen:
1. you'll be able to create a crusade army in your lands that have dominant catholic religion when required building is constructed (in original MTW it was chapter house)
2. you can ask pope for crusade target if you have very good relations with him or if it's is your country's elected pope
3. you can hire (in crusade stack while crusading) unique crusader units (like knights templar, hospitallers, saint cross, order foot soldiers, etc.)
4. your crusade army moves way faster than regular armies on land and via sea
5. crusade stack can move through other factions' lands while absorbing their troops or having your men dessert depending on smth similar like zeal/the domination of religion (like in original MTW)
6. your crusader general will gain various "crusader-special" traits and can become a great leader
7. crusader army success or failure will directly affect authority of your faction's king/leader thus also affecting family members' loyalty as well as standing with pope - you'll gain also cash rewards especially if you're first to accomplish it.
8. you can crusade without pope's request as well, but also you can use it to your advantage - move crusade to holy land and ask pope for specific target then on next turn execute it (like shown in video)
9. you can crusade against pagans, heretics, rebel settlements and exommunicated catholic factions too I think
10. when pope calls for crusade you must create a crusader army within 10 turns to join and expect rewards even if you don't reach holy or pagan lands first.

That's as much as I remember right now Cheers

[PorT_Lobo]

Well, Soulflame writed that:

18. Crusader armies work different then in Med1. No longer do they suck units from the country they are in (which is how I used crusades in Med1; weakening armies by moving the crusade over them and hoping they'd 'steal' some units :p) in Med2 the bulk will be mercenaries that you can recruit into the crusade while you move to the target. As you move through different countries you can recruit different units.
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=61392

Anyway, even in that screenshots it's not clear how the english army arrived to "holy" land because we don't see any revealed map in they're path between home land and crusade....

[Lusted]

CA could have spawned the army there for the purpose of the screenshot.

[Korinthos Hoplites]

CA could have spawned the army there for the purpose of the screenshot.

What if they travelled by ship? They're from England afterall... :hmmm:

[Soulflame]

Here's how it works;

1. The pope calls a crusade to a certain city
--> you can also propose to the pope to call a crusade to a target, whether or not he will do so depends on your standing with the pope.
2. *any* army stack that you have can become a crusade army, there is a special button available on an army stack that you can click once the pope called for a crusade.
--> these armoes move at twice the normal rate, they are highly motivated.
3. *optional* hire mercenaries.
--> these cost almost nothing (or nothing) and have no upkeep. You can hire these as soon as your stack is converted and as you move towards your target, different mercenaries will be available to recruit in your crusade, dependant on where you are
4. Conquer the settlement
--> Huzzah

Notes;
* If you have a lot of standing with the pope, it is very doable to have an army right outside a city, ask the pope to call a crusade, convert your army, hire some crusader guys and attack that turn. Very profitable if you can pull it off; not only do you get special crusade units, and the city you wanted to attack anyway, but also more papal standing and money!
*If another catholic faction reaches the city earlier, your crusade army will become a normal army again. You get to keep crusader units, but now they will cost upkeep (but not lots).

[PorT_Lobo]

Here's how it works;

1. The pope calls a crusade to a certain city
--> you can also propose to the pope to call a crusade to a target, whether or not he will do so depends on your standing with the pope.
2. *any* army stack that you have can become a crusade army, there is a special button available on an army stack that you can click once the pope called for a crusade.
--> these armoes move at twice the normal rate, they are highly motivated.
3. *optional* hire mercenaries.
--> these cost almost nothing (or nothing) and have no upkeep. You can hire these as soon as your stack is converted and as you move towards your target, different mercenaries will be available to recruit in your crusade, dependant on where you are
4. Conquer the settlement
--> Huzzah

Notes;
* If you have a lot of standing with the pope, it is very doable to have an army right outside a city, ask the pope to call a crusade, convert your army, hire some crusader guys and attack that turn. Very profitable if you can pull it off; not only do you get special crusade units, and the city you wanted to attack anyway, but also more papal standing and money!
*If another catholic faction reaches the city earlier, your crusade army will become a normal army again. You get to keep crusader units, but now they will cost upkeep (but not lots).

Thanks Soulflame !

[Lusted]

Would stil show some of the coastal parts of provinces, especially at the starits of gibraltar.

[Korinthos Hoplites]

Have you noticed the unnexistance of date in the campaign interface?

[Lusted]

Yes, thats been known about for some time. The campaign is 225 turns longs, so 1 turn no longer represents a fixed amount of time. I believe the date still shows up in the end of turn summary scroll.

[Korinthos Hoplites]

Only 225 turns?! Rome's was 567! If you don't believe go and confirm at: blablabla\Rome - Total War\Data\world\maps\campaign\imperial_campaign\descr_strat, see the dates and double the years (2 turns/year), but leave 1 turn out since there's one winter left to make 284 years.

[Lusted]

Yes RTw was 567, but who took that long to finish it? CA are making M2Tw that many turns as they've optimized the campaign to be completed in that time, so players see all the events and get to explore the new world.

[Korinthos Hoplites]

And medieval's campaign is much longer in year count....

[Lusted]

Yes it is, but CA have realised that people don't take that long to complete the campaign, so now they've made it so a player can go through the entire time frame covered by M2TW and have the new world, whereas if the campaign was say 1000 or something turns long if there were 2 turns per year, who's going to get to the new world? Most people would have completed the campaign long before then.

[Khozemnian]

Yes it is, but CA have realised that people don't take that long to complete the campaign, so now they've made it so a player can go through the entire time frame covered by M2TW and have the new world, whereas if the campaign was say 1000 or something turns long if there were 2 turns per year, who's going to get to the new world? Most people would have completed the campaign long before then.

Yeah, I agree with this. I dont know anyone whos taken the full time to complete RTW. BUT, the way they could have put more turns in and still made the game finishable and enjoyable was to put the era thing back in. I still dont know why that was taken out...

[Ryder65]

I really don't have a problem with the whole turn-based deal - it seems like a logical strategy to fix an obvious problem that would arise had the game been based on RTW's year system. However, the only thing that bothers me about it is the effect it could have on character development. If one turn is two years, then you will go through characters' lives at an amazing pace in comparison to Rome. I don't know about you, but I liked having a general that I could rely on for a long while - especially if I had taken the time to develop him correctly through battles and the like. But now, it seems my capacity to do that will be hampered... :hmmm: