Petition: Option to remove capture points and add family tree in next patch

**SomaaTheLion** · September 04, 2013, 02:06 AM

Personally, I was against the whole idea of "capture points" even before release. It's unrealistic and totally ruins tactical maneuvering. Therefor, I am kindly asking CA to include an option to remove them in the following patch/patches as I'm sure many of you will agree with me.

The second thing I wanted to talk about is the family tree. Why did CA remove it??? I can't find one valid reason other than the fact that they might have been too lazy to add it in the game. Again, I'm kindly requesting that family trees are included in the next patch.

EDIT: Poll added.

2nd Edit: Swerg's post reminded me of another very important feature that CA removed from the game: guard mode. Why..just why??

3rd Edit: I just wanted to point out that I meant the capture points in open battles not in sieges where they should remain as they were in Shogun II: you can capture the archer towers etc. but in the end you win the battle by capturing the capture point in the middle of the castle.

**Tilarium** · September 04, 2013, 02:13 AM

Signed on both. Was winning a fun battle as Sparta but had to pull my forces back to regroup. Didn't even realize the capture point was taken and sense I had no cavalry I couldn't get anyone there to retake it. Would have been easy because they had nobody at the point, they just walked over it, captured it and kept moving.

As for the family tree... I spent the first 10 minutes in game trying to figure out the characters screen and looking for the family tree.

If I may, I'd like for them to add in requests for details about generals/admirals when you create a new army/fleet or have to replace a dead one. I'd like to know important details such as traits, skills, level and age. And multiple turns per year... Why they went to 1 turn a year, again, when they know we hate it like that.

**Arcani 4 Ever** · September 04, 2013, 02:15 AM

Yes to both!

Capture points are dumb and unnecessary!

Family Trees will make the political game far more interesting!

**Bob the Horsearcher** · September 04, 2013, 02:22 AM

I could probably live without the family tree, even though it's stupid to remove it, but I should probably vote against the capture points before they decide to add paintball guns.

**KoalaAkbar** · September 04, 2013, 02:28 AM

Amen.

Seriously, what was CA thinking?

**monsterfurby** · September 04, 2013, 03:23 AM

I'm not a fan of the whole petition culture. As someone working in the industry, I can tell you that it is certainly not a democracy.

However, I agree in principle - I can live without the family tree since ancient Rome is not really about dynasties and more about political alliances and factions, but the capture points are silly and artificial. There could have been smarter solutions to make the battles more dynamic.

**Radzeer** · September 04, 2013, 03:37 AM

For an AAR writer like myself, family trees were pretty nice additions. I can't imagine what made them remove it. Really stupid decision. It fits to the arcade-ish trend though. Sucks.

**Jugurtha King of Numidia** · September 04, 2013, 03:40 AM

Definitely Agree with getting rid of these "Capture points" Total War is about annihilating your enemy, not capture the flag. It will also keep the A.i> for camping by those capture points instead of attacking.

**Swerg** · September 04, 2013, 03:55 AM

I don't think CA cares much about petitions. Saying 'signed' and 'agreed' is easy.

What's not easy is restraint. Refuse to buy any DLC for this game until it's working properly and it has the features that are important to so many back in it.

What Monsterfurby said was partly right, but he's wrong about the industry being a democracy. It's just that the only people who get to vote are dead presidents (or the queen, I suppose, since they're in the UK.)

Family trees, guard mode, battles not ripped from Warcraft with magical spells to make units better. When those are gone, I'll buy whatever DLC I think looks good. Until then? Not a dollar more.

**Wrathsputin** · September 04, 2013, 04:05 AM

Yes to both! Family trees were awesome! Is there an actual petition somewhere?

**SomaaTheLion** · September 04, 2013, 04:16 AM

Originally Posted by Wrathsputin

Yes to both! Family trees were awesome! Is there an actual petition somewhere?

No it's just this poll I posted but I am hoping many people will vote so it gets the attention of CA's representatives here at Twcenter.

**Wrathsputin** · September 04, 2013, 04:11 AM

Yes to both! Family trees were awesome! Is there an actual petition somewhere?

**Neverpleased** · September 04, 2013, 04:29 AM

We need Family trees, fire at will for units with javelin/pillum, guard mode, I actually like the victory points in siege battles so in my opinion they can stay, though they have to be removed from open field battles, there is no reason why that exists on a

ing open field, ships need a minimum ramming range, right now it's literally the bumper boats we used to joke about, we need to be able to view our generals statistics before we hire them and actually get some feedback on WHY they get those goddamned traits.

Public order needs to be revised ASAP, the current system is a joke where you basically plop down as many temples as you can just to support the economic buildings (farms give squalor? WTF?), units need to be revised to be more solid rather than the flimsy blobs they are now, a phalanx should NOT dissolve into a blob 30 seconds after engaging the enemy, the list just goes on!

CA doesn't listen though, otherwise they might have caught the people shouting "Don't release a game before it's done" for about 5 years now. Please people, don't buy this game if you read this, don't buy DLC, don't give them your money until they fix it. It's time for a stand.How far will you go to save Total War?

**Tilarium** · September 04, 2013, 05:34 PM

To say they don't listen is a lie. They do listen. They listened when everyone complained about the removal of the family tree and the one turn per year with Empire and put fixed the problems for Shogun... but then they went and reverted back with Rome 2. Removing the capture points will be fairly easy for them to do but hate to say it but adding in a family tree will be very hard. It will require reworking a lot of functions of the game.

**AstroCat** · September 04, 2013, 05:47 PM

While they're at it could they please add the Guard/Defend mode back, how could they take that out?!

**krisslanza** · September 04, 2013, 05:48 PM

The reason capture points exist is to prevent camping and such. It's not historically accurate, but this isn't a Paradox game. CA isn't out to make a historical simulator, they're just giving you a strategy game with a historical backdrop. A family tree I don't see much of a point in as, far as I can tell, characters just get created from time to time. I haven't actually seen any birth messages then again, I can't find a way to make your own families members marry someone either unless the AI initiates it.

**Swerg** · September 04, 2013, 05:48 PM

On further consideration, I retract my previous post.

A doesn't care about our money anymore. We're not their target audience now. They've crossed over to the realm of console kiddies. Rome 2 was not made for the PC crowd. This release is probably just funding for their efforts to port Rome 2 to console.