RS 2.6: The Seleucid Empire's Eastern Provinces/Cities CTD and Happiness Levels

[octarus]

I have RTW, BI and ALX all installed. I launch from the RS2 launcher and choose ALX as the...start up...thing.

I am currently playing as the Seleucid's and I always notice my eastern provinces happiness level decreases and increases randomly, from 145 to 0....This occurs to about 4 of the most eastern provinces (from the borders of Parthia to Persepolis...or if there is one below it). It only happens to 1 at a time (possibly an annoying spy?).

When my happiness decreases to a I think under 30, I can adjust the tax rate but the happiness is still red, so if I click on the "recruitment" tab I get a CTD. Previously if I relaunched the game and clicked on the "recruitment" tab the game would be fine....but this time in Persepolis the game won't stop crashing. I let it stay red and ended turn hoping that would solve it, but nope, clicked on "recruitment" tab, CTD, relaunched and clicked on "retrain" tab and CTD.

I can build things and move men in and out and repair buildings, but I just can't recruit in any of those provinces when this occurs. I don't even know what to call it.

In the history of the Seleucid Empire (namely Antinochus III's) the eastern provinces rebelled quite frequently. So are the creators of RS2 attempting to reenact the rebellions by launching a background script affecting Seleucids settlement happiness? I notice in my other games as Carthage, Sparta and Pergamon those particular provinces always rebel from the Seleucids (they win them back and then lose them again).

Is this a known bug causing the CTD or is it new with RS 2.6?

I will attach my save file (as a .rar file). Load it up and test what happens to Persepolis (I followed dv910's guide quite religiously).

Below is all the steps I have taken to make RS2 more enjoyable/playable.

I purchased a copy of Rome Total War (Total War: Eras):
http://au.gamespot.com/total-war-eras/

I downloaded RS 2.5 from the below link:
http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/87981...rectum_2.5.exe

I followed the installation instructions of the below video:


I downloaded and followed the instructions for RS 2.6 from here:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...ctum-2-6-patch

I followed dvk910's instructions on his guide towards a better RS2 experience:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...RS2-experience

My Computer:
Cpu: i7 4770k
Graphics: Raedon HD6990
Ram: 16gb
HD: 500gb SSD (with 315gb free)
OS: Windows 8 - 64bit

PC was reformatted about 1 week ago.

[octarus]

It appears as though the youtube video doesn't work on this site.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlFRSy3GJjc

[octarus]

Alright now my game just crashes when I click on Persepolis...what do you people do to debug errors? Do I just move my save game into other Play folders and start up the map and see if its someone's spy??? Any tips?? Anything???

[octarus]

I located this:
http://forums.totalwar.org/wiki/inde...e_to_CTD's

He mentions "The errors listed are generally those that occur without -show_err message."

How do you use "-show_err" ???

[octarus]

Ok just confirmed with the province east of Antinochia, spies cause CTD if you click on "recruitment" tab after they lower your happiness bonus.

This is lol did the team do something special with Seleucid to curb their massive empire? Or is it really the spies? Does anyone get this error? Over 70 views and not one of you can write "I have never heard of this happening before" or "I've never seen this in my games as Seleucids".

[tone]

I'll have a look at your savegame and try and understand the problem..

In terms of getting the -show_err to work....add it into the launcher text field where there should be things like -nm if it's not already there.

[octarus]

I'll have a look at your savegame and try and understand the problem..

In terms of getting the -show_err to work....add it into the launcher text field where there should be things like -nm if it's not already there.

Ahhh Tone, you have always been helpful. Thank you.

In the launcher it does say -show_err in the text field. What should it do? Generate an error log?

I did delete assassins and spies from being recruitable/trainable from all factions in the EDB file of whichever faction I play. There isn't anywhere else I should remove them from is there? I did this in my Carthage, Pergamon and Spartan campaigns and never had an issue like this.

[octarus]

I am playing 0-turn campaign. I also did edit the EDU file to change recruitment times of all factions to 0, except for elephants, navy and seige units and the romans (as they tend to steam roll everyone anyway).

[dvk901]

Most factions have spies and diplomats in the descr_strat.txt file that is used to generate the map and starting situation. But the thing is, I have never seen a spy cause a CTD unless there was something else going on. I did download your save called 'richard2civil' and, since I didn't know what exe you were using, I loaded it up in BI. I clicked on every Seleucid city, every building and recruitment cue, and every army. I looked at traits, hit end turn, clicked on things, but could not make it CTD. I'm not certain what is happening there, cause I can't duplicate. I'll try again with ALEX.

The unhappiness situation in the Seleucid Empire is a hard issue. We did a bit of adjusting to make it better than it was without it, but it could be spies that are lowering it even more. Still, no faction starts with more than one, and if you eliminated them from recruitment, there would only be 1-per faction. TBH, I have never tested any RTW game without the agents. Are you sure that doesn't cause issues?

-show_err, is, BTW, in the Laucher by default. No need to put it in. Whatever error you are experiencing is one that RTW doesn't know how to report. I call those 'hard' errors. I will have a look at those settlements, check recruitment, and also that the 'shadowing faction' actually owns any unit that could be spawned if those settlements were to rebel. We just never ran into these issues before when we worked on this campaign.

[dvk901]

Most factions have spies and diplomats in the descr_strat.txt file that is used to generate the map and starting situation. But the thing is, I have never seen a spy cause a CTD unless there was something else going on. I did download your save called 'richard2civil' and, since I didn't know what exe you were using, I loaded it up in BI. I clicked on every Seleucid city, every building and recruitment cue, and every army. I looked at traits, hit end turn, clicked on things, but could not make it CTD. I'm not certain what is happening there, cause I can't duplicate. I'll try again with ALEX.

The unhappiness situation in the Seleucid Empire is a hard issue. We did a bit of adjusting to make it better than it was without it, but it could be spies that are lowering it even more. Still, no faction starts with more than one, and if you eliminated them from recruitment, there would only be 1-per faction. TBH, I have never tested any RTW game without the agents. Are you sure that doesn't cause issues?

-show_err, is, BTW, in the Laucher by default. No need to put it in. Whatever error you are experiencing is one that RTW doesn't know how to report. I call those 'hard' errors. I will have a look at those settlements, check recruitment, and also that the 'shadowing faction' actually owns any unit that could be spawned if those settlements were to rebel. We just never ran into these issues before when we worked on this campaign.

[dvk901]

I have loaded your campaign with both BI and ALEX, and I can find nothing wrong. When I loaded it with ALEX I hit end turn a number of times because I wanted to see what happened when a city rebelled, and Epema did so...but no CTD. Everything worked as it should. I am going to make a few adjustments, but I'm afraid I cannot confirm your issue, and I have a 'pure' 2.6 RS install just like everyone else.

Which leads me to say, if you have altered RS2.6 in ANY way, and have or start having problems, you should first restore ALL of the original files before reporting issues. You mentioned removing spies and assassins, and altering recruitment. Believe me when I say, I have been modding RTW for over five years and I STILL make mistakes. So please confine the reporting of issues to 'untouched' installs of RS2.6. Your campaign runs fine on my install.

That said, there are things that can be done to help a lot of the issues that RTW (not necessarily RS2) has with your machine. Choose settings that don't overtax your video or processor. Disable your anti-virus program or set it to ignore your whole RTW folder(s). Never install RTW in the 'Program Files' folder on any Windows version after WindowsXP SP2.....that includes Windows XP SP3. If the Strat map is jerky, slow, or your start seeing 'artifacts', set the strat video to 16bit rather than 32bit. You will hardly notice the difference, and it will make the strat map work smoother.

[Progeny]

I have run into this same problem. It started once I hit 110 SE. Eastern Provinces like Susa and Persepolis are untouchable, otherwise, I run into a CTD. Admittedly, I did do a few mods here in there in the Descr_buidling file. At first I thought I might have overloaded the recruitment queue; I went back to an old save of the 2.6 patched Seleucid campaign descr_building file, whilst deleting the previous modded one.... Still CTD........ I never thought I'd have to join this forum, but the issues with 2.6 have become quite persistent enough to push me to do this.

[Progeny]

I have run into this same problem. It started once I hit 110 SE. Eastern Provinces like Susa and Persepolis are untouchable, otherwise, I run into a CTD. Admittedly, I did do a few mods here in there in the Descr_buidling file. At first I thought I might have overloaded the recruitment queue; I went back to an old save of the 2.6 patched Seleucid campaign descr_building file, whilst deleting the previous modded one.... Still CTD........ I never thought I'd have to join this forum, but the issues with 2.6 have become quite persistent enough to push me to do this.

I FIGURED OUT THE PROBLEM, ITS THE FAMILY MEMBERS. At least I think its the family members, it might be the recruitable generals. Susa was the city that kept CTDing whenever I checked its recruitment or retrain tab. unhappiness was extremely high for no reason whatsoever it seemed, so when I checked the governor's traits the game CTD again. So by now, I got a little curious. I took this glitch character out of the city, and all of a sudden, the city had high happiness, and I was able to click on the city's recruitment and retrain tabs without the game crashing. This is a serious issue, family members are bugged, Perhaps characters have a trait limit?

[pau]

This problem is the reason why I registered. It has already happened twice to me. After about 15 turns I killed the Seleucid campaign, and started a new one, but the same thing happened again. First it was Opis, now it's some city in the east, I think it was called Apamea or something like that. I think that it has nothing to do with agents. The problem is that for some strange reason the Family Member gets corrupted and you can still move him around but can no longer see his traits, i.e. can not click on the recruitment tab when in the settlement (instant CTD if you do), and the level of happines drops to 0. I figured out that the reason behind this is that when the FM is in the city the level of squalor hits 100%. Now, I can get this FM killed in a battle, but I'm not sure that it won't happen again.

[Progeny]

It does happen again. It always seems to affect two family members at a time. No matter how many times I send them on suicide runs, two more bugged family members take their place...

[onmy6]

Obviously the Seleucid empire is a little buggy, I have never played as the Seleucid before but I have thrashed them a couple o times playing as a different empire and usually once or twice during that process it will CTD in certain environments, however when I change that environment everything works fine. I would play a different faction, I'm playing as Armenia at he moment awesome faction, great units, devastating cavalry

[pau]

Maybe it has something to do with unbalanced Loyalty traits (Loyalty was absent in Seleucid before 2.6), because it doesn't happen at all in 2.5 campaign, and I also read here that it can occur during Roman campaign:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...14-Strange-CTD

[dvk901]

Ok, that is helpful, because this seems to be a problem with a trait that only two characters can get, or are supposed to get. Please tell me, are these just random family members...do they show up un the family tree? I assume they are not the faction leader and heir? Could you upload another saved game where this is happening?

[pau]

I'm not sure if my post got stuck somewhere or whatever, I was asking if there is a possibility that this problem is induced by some evolving loyalty trait, since loyalty was added to Seleucid campaign through 2.6, and I had no such issues while playing 2.5.

[dvk901]

That's why I want a saved game...so I can try and locate the issue.