ARMIES CAN NOT BE ALLOWED TO BUID BOATS

[stevehoos]

This ruins any modicum of strategy to the entire function of having a navy. This type of senseless insipid thinking is ubiquitous in this title. I will never buy another game from this company again, I can promise that.

This game is so far from a legitimate strategy game now, it has neither the depth of CIV 5, nor the decently attempted military strategy of the old Total war games; it's somewhere in the bland middle, pale, and distinctly directionless. Hope everyone is enjoying there 60$ alpha build.

Where did the budget go in this game is what I am wondering? What about this title is indicative of massive monetary expenditure?

[Lieutenant Sharpe]

So you are saying that one element of this game has completely ruined it?

[Sir Winston Churchill]

So you are saying that one element of this game has completely ruined it?

He did mention "this type of", so I'm guessing the answer is no.

[stevehoos]

So you are saying that one element of this game has completely ruined it?

Can you read?

[Lieutenant Sharpe]

Can you read?

Yes I can, but you have no other specific complaints. Please elaborate.

[Fatticus]

But they have to make the game "accessible" so that new players don't have to think too hard. Basically just like every other game these days, Total War is being dumbed down so that the "casual gamer" can just derp their way to victory. Good job society. Good on you.

[Lieutenant Sharpe]

But they have to make the game "accessible" so that new players don't have to think too hard. Basically just like every other game these days, Total War is being dumbed down so that the "casual gamer" can just derp their way to victory. Good job society. Good on you.

Yeah sucks... Just gotta hope for mods.

[the_mango55]

I like this feature as a concept, but it needs to cost some money, increase unit upkeep, and take at least a turn.

In fact I made a thread about it. It's somewhere around here. It was months ago though so I cant be bothered to dig it out

[Lieutenant Sharpe]

I like this feature as a concept, but it needs to cost some money, increase unit upkeep, and take at least a turn.

Yes, I agree with this. Insta-ships are just stupid. And they're free too? Wow, that is not right.

[TheChronoMaster]

Kinda flummoxed that you'd list this as a negative, and in the same breath mention Civ V (which does the exact same thing, mind you) as a positive example.

[stevehoos]

When comparing it to CIV 5, I mean in terms of the attempt to have similar depth, I know CIV 5 has that element, but it is a much better game than this.

[TheChronoMaster]

When comparing it to CIV 5, I mean in terms of the attempt to have similar depth, I know CIV 5 has that element, but it is a much better game than this.

Did you play Civ V at launch, out of curiosity?


I got way less enjoyment from Civ V at launch than Rome II.


Rome's got issues, certainly, and several large ones -- but the basics of the game work way better than Civ V did on day 1.

It took an expansion for Civ V to become enjoyable, and 2 expansions for it to become as good -- if not better than -- Civ IV.

[RZZZA]

Civ 5 sucks...

[Blau&Gruen]

Civ 5 sucks...

Civ 1 was innovative, yet ...

[Briareos]

Civ 5 is flawed even after its many expansions and patches. Even leader designer said it himself. There is just no way you could compare it with Civ 4 (although the new battle system has its merits). I spent countless hours on Civ4 and about 30h with Civ 5 (with the latest expansion installed) and it still just didn't feel right. Game mechanics were either needless or they didn't work as I would expect. Didn't have any of these problems with Civ4.

Sorry for my ranting about Civilizations guys!

Back to topic:

Smoke: I really like it. No more building boats getting them to your army, saves you a lot of time. Also, this feature has been announced a year ago and now OP thinks it's "game breaking"? Better actually read the forum next time, instead of just ranting.

I have seen you around here and I honestly do not appreciate your kind. I got it, that you really like R2TW and seem like a die-hard fan to me, to the point where you even turn down any attempt of discussion. You could clearly be the elementKarl Raimund Popper denominate as an enemy of the open society in his famous book. Now I'm not gonna call you names beside that, but please consider being more reserved and even polite to other members of this forum. Be adult (they might be panicking kids, they might be REALLY pissed off because they spend their hard-earned money on more or less broken product, while they were told its gonna be brilliant - be friendly and understanding). If you do not wanna participate in discussion and just tell how much we are crybabies and that we are just generally ranting, please go on. Do it at home, quietly.

Thank you, Smoke.

Now I still haven't played this game (gotta buy new pc first), but I agree that this game element is rather stupid. At least you should pay for mercenary ships. For example in CKII you can raise fleet of ships quite easily but you got to bleed money. A lot of it...

[Cat-astrophic]

This ruins any modicum of strategy to the entire function of having a navy. This type of senseless insipid thinking is ubiquitous in this title. I will never buy another game from this company again, I can promise that.

This game is so far from a legitimate strategy game now, it has neither the depth of CIV 5, nor the decently attempted military strategy of the old Total war games; it's somewhere in the bland middle, pale, and distinctly directionless. Hope everyone is enjoying there 60$ alpha build.

Where did the budget go in this game is what I am wondering? What about this title is indicative of massive monetary expenditure?

Wow CIV V was already a dumbed down game (in comparison to CIV 4)! It would be good if you could list the things you dislike besides this transport aspect maybe?

[Vítor Gaspar]

Civ V wasn't dumbed down. At all. At all!

It only took Firaxis 5 years to fix the game and make it better than IV. They went away from the streamlining of the Vanilla V and now have this amazing game, but sure you need to spend a few dozen euros (actually 20, not that much) to make the game worth it.

But with Brave New World plus Gods and Kings that game is probably my/one of my favourite strategy game ever.

And Civ V BNW transport/trade system is a wonder, CA could learn from that.

By the way, hopefully the patches will fix all these issues with the game... either way I'll only be back to Portugal in February, and I've got this laptop in the meantime, so hopefully the dust will have settled down by then.

[wulfgar610]

The game turn is year long. Armies with the technical capability could build transport ships and or requisition local ships. It's device used in other games and I don't have a problem with the basic concept.

[Oestvang]

If it required you to have a port or pay for mercenary transports itbwold feel more sensible.

[Destraex]

If it required you to have a port or pay for mercenary transports itbwold feel more sensible.

That reminds me. When sparticus rebels, how easy will it be for him to escape when the pirates don't show.