Battles, the worst part of the game?

[caissus]

What should be the strong point of a Total War has become the weak point. The battles are so fast that you can't even enjoy the facial animations that they boasted so much about. And for most people, battles (as well as campaign might) are plagued with performance issues. An average battle is a 3-5 minute blobfest, basically. There's little to no room for tactics, and every single unit has special abilities like "the whip" or "draco", only unnecessarily adding to the micromanagement. It's disappointing to say the least.

On the other hand, I think that the campaign is actually pretty good. There could be a bit more provinces (divide current provinces in smaller ones), but that's just because I enjoy more slow, hard-core strategy. Over all, the campaign map is fine, the battles are NOT.

[Mwulf]

I tentatively agree.

I think with the battle speed cut down and morale adjusted, the new battle features could make it one of the better elements of the game.

That's really the problem with Rome 2 in a nuthshell. There's a lot of cool features that, if implemented well, could be really fantastic--but the execution is almost universally abysmal.

[Xanthippus of Sparta]

It's insane how short they are.

I have not fought one over 10 mins yet in about 4+ hours of a Pontic campaign.

[the_mango55]

I like the battles, but I do think they should cut down on the speed some. Cut everyone's melee damage a bit and slow down the run speed (walking speed is fine).

I don't hate the speed for pure gameplay purposes, but I do want to zoom in and watch some without having to hit the slow-mo button.

[BeastG33]

I'm not starting a campaign until the battle and unit speed is lowered, and someone figures out how to get more than 160 men per unit.

[caissus]

Funnily enough, I think the battle speed is pretty good if you put it on slow-mo.

[-=PHX=-Hades]

Completely agree. Campaign is excellent IMO. I have stopped playing battles. Need to get 3 things fixed before battles will be good...

1. Battle speed
2. Blob-fest. Units can't hold a formation at all
3. Unit size. Where did the unit_multiplier go?? 160 man units is just silly looking

[BeastG33]

I'm not starting a campaign until the battle and unit speed is lowered, and someone figures out how to get more than 160 men per unit.

[-=PHX=-Hades]

I'm not starting a campaign until the battle and unit speed is lowered, and someone figures out how to get more than 160 men per unit.

I would think the modders won't have much trouble with the unit speed lowering, but without the unit_multiplier will they be able to increase unit sizes?

Right now I'm just hoping that when I get off of work tomorrow Mitch, or one of the other excellent modders we have has fixed those two problems.

[the_mango55]

I would think the modders won't have much trouble with the unit speed lowering, but without the unit_multiplier will they be able to increase unit sizes?

Sure, you just have to raise the number of men in each unit, and there are hundreds of them.

Takes a more work than the unit multiplier but it's not really "difficult" once the modding tools are working. Still something you could do in 10-15 minutes if the PFM gets to be working like it was in the previous games.

[Toho]

I dont mind the run speed. I think its fine but the actual fighting is way too fast imo.
sitting waiting for people get around is not that enjoyable to me though it would be nice to see the battle play out longer so i can savor the awesome scenery.

[Lieutenant Sharpe]

I don't even have the game yet and the battle speed looks far too fast Hopefully that will get fixed. Unit size doesn't really bother me. Otherwise the units look pretty good.

[♘Top Hat Zebra]

Yeah, I think battle speeds could go down. I like moral how it is, so that units don't fight until they only have fifteen men left. But killing speeds should certainly be lowered.

[-Concrete-]

I guess you only played a few hours of vanilla Shogun 2 before getting on the mods. Stop panicking. I would prefer longer battles but I know they're coming, so I'm very happy playing vanilla right now.

[caissus]

I guess you only played a few hours of vanilla Shogun 2 before getting on the mods. Stop panicking. I would prefer longer battles but I know they're coming, so I'm very happy playing vanilla right now.

I'm not panicking, I'm just stating my opinion. I also haven't heard a single person say "Hey, I like the speed of the battles!" No one.

[caissus]

My average battles are over in 3-5 minutes, unless it's a siege. But the time added there is only attributed to my guys actually have to walk and climb the walls, not the fighting itself.

[Lieutenant Sharpe]

My average battles are over in 3-5 minutes, unless it's a siege. But the time added there is only attributed to my guys actually have to walk and climb the walls, not the fighting itself.

More than 3-5? Wow a ten minute battle. Thats amazing, simply amazing.

[HOMER-16]

I haven't been noticing short battles at all. Honestly, they play about as long as a typical multiplayer battle, for me. Maybe it's just that I'm more cautious in my approach?

[HOMER-16]

I like the speed of the battles. Only thing I've noticed is that the speed up doesn't seem to change the speed all that much. I once waited a good two-three minutes just for some reinforcing units to walk to my starting units while laying siege to Athens.

[Lieutenant Sharpe]

I like the speed of the battles. Only thing I've noticed is that the speed up doesn't seem to change the speed all that much. I once waited a good two-three minutes just for some reinforcing units to walk to my starting units while laying siege to Athens.

Why? I've watched plenty of videos so far and battles are over in 3-5 minutes once the units engage. Sometimes even faster!