Mix-up in Africa?

[General David]

As I was gazing at the campaign map, I've noticed that in the province of Africa, there is a faction called Libya that controls three regions. Then, there is also a province called Libya and the controlling faction of that province is Cyrenaica. So how come that area is called Libya if the Libyan faction is based in a different province? I know that this is a game and it doesn't have to be 100% accurate but could there be something wrong on the campaign map?

http://maps.totalwar.com/

[kamikazee786]

a good question

and the answer is that quite a few of these factions aren't in control of their home provinces.

For example Parthia (the faction) only controls one region in Parthia (the Province) whereas the rest is divided between other factions, The Suebi Also control one region in the province of Suebia with the rest again divided between other factions

A few factions are in different places, they are not restricted to their name sake provinces, but i guess you could get them to conquer the area.

[General David]

When the map was released, I was too busy planning out my future empires.

It could be that, as you say, the Greek colony "kicked out" the native population which was then confined in the East. I really don't know anything about Africa beyond Carthage and Egypt in order to say anything about that.

a good question

and the answer is that quite a few of these factions aren't in control of their home provinces.

For example Parthia (the faction) only controls one region in Parthia (the Province) whereas the rest is divided between other factions, The Suebi Also control one region in the province of Suebia with the rest again divided between other factions

A few factions are in different places, they are not restricted to their name sake provinces, but i guess you could get them to conquer the area.

That's true. The faction Nabatea also has the same issue as Parthia, in the sense that it only holds a part of its home province. Actually, the only faction that I could think of that entirely owns its corresponding province (name-wise) is Armenia.

[C.Maximus]

Cyrenacia is a Greek colony that most likely came and pushed the native tribesmen out of the area forming a small port city and creating a minor kingdom. Its like in Empire Total War where you have the native american cultures not holding the American lands held by the USA. That -was- their home, untill the colonials came

[DogSoldierSPQR]

LOL I noticed this back when the map was released. I found it weird as well.
kamikazee786 has a good point but the thing is, Libya faction is completely in another province altogether haha
Possibly a mix up, can't see this being legit. However, it could be a story we don't know about?

If there is an African culture pack, Libya may have their equivalent of "Senate Missions" which will guide you in getting your home turf back? Never know

[Aelita]

This isnt the only example, Scythia is a faction and a province but Scythia (the faction) is located entirely outside the province

[omzdog]

What dynasty in history is the 'Libya' faction representing?

[Aleksander the Average]

Libya is just a filler name for the province, since all of northern Africa between the western border of Ptolemaic Egypt and the southern borders of Carthaginian influence was at that time "Libyan."
-(The Latin name Libya (from Greek Λιβύη, Libyē) referred to the region west of the Nile Valley, generally corresponding to modern Northwest Africa. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Libya)

"Libyan" was a name for Northern Saharan African natives (Not including the more eastern Egyptians and Ethiopians) given to them by the Greeks.
Later, other peoples, such as the Berbers and Garamantes were categorized separately. -( i don't have direct evidence to support this part).

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What dynasty in history is the 'Libya' faction representing?

- that part of the map was not under its own faction, but would have been colonized primarily by Carthage, and should thus be under Carthaginian control, the same way that the TW:R2's "Nova Carthago" should be. I imagine both of these areas have been put under imaginary client states for gameplay reasons.

fun fact. - In reality, The region inhabited by early Carthaginian settlement was the only part of the continent originally called "Africa" -seems like later historians got it a little mixed up.


I hope this helps in everyone's quest for knowledge. sorry I don't have any sources today - I'm feeling rather lazy.

[General David]

The way CA organized North Africa seems to make a lot more sense now, thanks.

[omzdog]

What's the exact start date of Rome II?

[Aleksander the Average]

What's the exact start date of Rome II?

it should be 272 B.C.

[Aelita]

272 bce

[omzdog]

The province of Libya on the map should not be called Libya.
At least if you go by the convention of naming provinces according to the contemporary nomenclature.

The Romans had an administrative province there named after the same Greek inhabitants, Cyrenaica during the Empire.
Don't know why its called Libya.

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This was also its name during the late Republic.
The picture is 2nd Century AD take it only as an example of its size.
And yes the Roman province includes Crete in that administrative center.

[General David]

Apparently in 296 AD Emperor Diocletian separated Crete from Cyrenaica and then divided it into Upper Libya and Lower Libya, so the term was indeed used by the Romans at some point. However, that's pretty far from the current game's time-frame.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Libya

[omzdog]

Yes, all of North Africa (in fact all of Africa) was apparently called Libya.
The specific region the you pointed out had a specific name before and after Roman rule, called so by the Romans, the Greeks, and the regions inhabitants.

Good job pointing this out.
It seems the labeling of provinces was pretty lazy, and could have been alleviated with a few minutes of research.

[omzdog]

*bump*

[Aelita]

*bump*

WHY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[omzdog]

WHY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Hasn't a major error been identified in the game?

[Aelita]

I wouldn't call it a major error, it is at most a poor design choice

[omzdog]

Yes terrible design choice.