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    Default Oh Noes!!!

    Hell is Real...

    Don't be fooled!

    keywords: hell, child of hell, Satan, hell is real, Jesus saves from hell

    People don't like to hear about hell. But I'm here to tell you that if Jesus is not your Lord and Savior, you are on your way to hell. Some of you will be upset at this bad news. You think that I'm all gloom and doom. Tell me this...if your house were on fire, would you want me to let you know? Of course you would. You'd probably thank me for telling you. Well, if you go to hell, YOU will be the one on fire.

    Hell may not be a politically correct topic these days, but many people enter hell everyday. Out of the 120,000 people that die everyday, most end up in hell. Hell is a real place despite the fact that people laugh and say that they want to go there. They simply don't understand how terrible hell is. Just because you've never seen hell doesn't mean it doesn't exist. We have a searing, accurate description of what hell is like in God's word. (We'll get to some scriptures in a minute) Hell is awful and if you don't believe in Jesus, you'd better get on the stick or else that's going to be your eternal destination.

    Satan, the god of this world, WILL NOT always cause havoc. His doom is already foretold, "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever." (Revelation 20:10)

    Did you know that if you do not belong to Jesus Christ you belong to Satan? You don't have to be a card carrying Satanist to serve Satan. You don't have to be a murderer, drunkard or drug addict, either. All you have to do is ignore Jesus Christ. If you don't have Jesus today, you are deceived and hell bound--you are a child of hell, a child of the devil.

    How many times have I heard someone say, "A loving God wouldn't put His creatures in hell." Well I have news for you, friend, God doesn't put anyone in hell--their sins put them there. Know ye not that hell was not created for man? Hell was created for the devil and his angels--

    Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS. (Matthew 25:41)

    Men go to hell because they choose the devil's way and reject the Lord Jesus. God is holy and will not allow any sin in His kingdom. As a result, when people die in their sins they are forever banished from the presence of God to a place called hell--and it ain't pretty. Incidentally, Satan won't be ruling in the lake of fire. He'll be screamin' and hollerin' just like everybody else--

    the devil...shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

    Think about this...God, out of profound love for you--a vile sinner who has transgressed His commandments--let His own beautiful, dear Son be sacrificed for YOUR sins! Jesus wasn't a sinner. He didn't sin one time. He didn't die for Himself. He died for you. To save YOU. That's why He is called the Saviour. Because He SAVES from hell! If you reject His sacrifice and trod it underfoot it should not be too hard for you to understand that the same God who sacrificed His beloved Son will expeditiously cast your rebellious hind parts into hell and the lake of fire. NOTHING unclean will ever enter God's heaven--and all unregenerate people are unclean. I too was once dead in trespasses and sins, but one lovely day I turned my face to Jesus and got washed in the blood. You can too--no matter what you've done.

    Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. Isaiah 1:18

    God does not want you in hell! Jesus came to save you from that horrible place! Don't lie and say God puts people in hell! Get right with Jesus and you won't go there! Look at these scriptures:

    As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die... (Ezekiel 33:11)

    The Lord is...not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. (II Peter 3:9)

    The Bible says that God loves you so much that the Creator of this universe (Jesus Christ) came to "taste death" for every man. Jesus wasn't just some baby for a manger scene. He is God come in the flesh to destroy the power of death and hell--He holds the keys, people! If you say yes to Jesus, hell won't be your final destination. If you say no to Jesus, hell will be your eternal home. There ain't no getting out and no comfort--it's everlasting.

    Regardless of whether you believe it or not, hell exists and the Bible says that it is never full. I've heard folks say that hell is not mentioned in the Bible or that hell is just the grave. Well, let's take a look at what the Bible says. Here are a few scriptures that deal with hell and the lake of fire (at the final judgment, hell, death and those not written in the book of life will be cast into the lake fire):

    Matthew 25:41 (Jesus speaking to people at final judgment), ...Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.

    Revelation 14:11, And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night...

    Revelation 20:12, 15, And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life...And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

    Matthew 10:28, And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

    Luke 12:5, But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which AFTER he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

    Matthew 18:8, 9 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or feet to be cast into everlasting fire. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

    Matthew 25:46, And these shall go away into EVERLASTING punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

    II Thessalonians 1:9 Who shall be punished with EVERLASTING destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power.

    Isaiah 66:24, And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be abhorring unto all flesh.

    Mark 9:44 (speaking of hell), Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

    Jude 7, Sodom and Gomorrha...are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

    Matthew 22:13, ...Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    Matthew 13:41-42, The Son of man (Jesus) shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

    Revelation 21:8, But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and *****mongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

    Psalm 9:17, The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

    Isaiah 14:99-11, 15 (referring to Lucifer), Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee...all they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us? Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee...thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

    Daniel 12:2, And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and EVERLASTING contempt.

    The following is a true story as told by the Lord Jesus in Luke 16:19-31:

    19. There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

    20. And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

    21. And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

    22. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

    23. And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

    24. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

    25. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

    26. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

    27. Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

    28. For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

    29. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

    30. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

    31. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

    Sinner, you will either TURN from your sins to Jesus or you will BURN for your sins. If you reject the Lord Jesus Christ, you will be tormented in the flames forever without a single, solitary hope. The biggest fool in the world chooses hell. No need to argue with me about this. God said hell is real, your argument is with Him and you won't win that one. You have been warned. Repent or perish.

    so the christan church has a new recruiting system.Join us or you shall go to hell

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    oh and heres another one for your injoyment How to Get
    to Heaven

    How does a person get to heaven?

    If you ask most people this question, they will say something like, "If you do more good things than bad things, God will probably let you into heaven." The above thinking will reserve your place in hell. You need FAITH IN THE BLOOD OF JESUS. There are no good deeds that you can do on your own that will erase the sins that you have committed. Jesus SHED BLOOD for you sins. He came to save you from the GUILT of past sins and the POWER of sin over your life. You are about to read the most important information that you will ever read. It is called the gospel of Jesus Christ.

    The word "gospel" means "message"*. The gospel is God's message to mankind. If you will yield to the gospel, you will be reconciled to God and you will escape eternal damnation in hell and the lake of fire. Besides all of this, you will have abudant life right now as you walk with the Creator of the universe--in spite of all the woes the world will throw at you. If you are full of doubts, ask Jesus to help you to understand and to be willing to be saved.

    *many say the word gospel means, "good news" but in actuality it is only good news for those who receive it with singleness of heart. To others it is the stench of death...eternal death. Revelation 14:6-7 tells us the message of the everlasting gospel--"Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and WORSHIP HIM that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters." There is only one way to do this--through the blood of Jesus Christ. REPENT ye and BELIEVE the gospel!

    1.

    The Bible says that nobody is good enough to get into heaven. Each one of us has broken God's commandments--not one person is excepted. You have personally lied and committed other sins.

    For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (Romans 3:23)

    [L]et God be true, but every man a liar...( Romans 3:4)

    2. I don't care how much "good" stuff you do, you still can't go to heaven. You are dead in tresspasses and sins. Your good deeds do not commend you to God in any way. You've ignored Him chosing to live life the way YOU see fit.

    But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. (Isaiah 64:6)

    According to the above verse, we still come up short even when we try to do good deeds BECAUSE we are not doing them under God's authority. We do them cause WE think they are good. We ignore what God says.

    "But I never killed anybody and I'm not a dope addict!" You're still a spiritual crook. You have broken the GREATEST COMMANDMENT IN THE BIBLE and you are as guilty as a harlot, a *****monger, a killer, a thief and a liar. What is the greatest commandment?

    Matthew 22:36-38 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with ALL thy heart, and with ALL thy soul, and with ALL thy mind. THIS is the first and great commandment.

    It doesn't take much thinking to know that the unregenerate man has broken this commandment every day of his miserable life. Ungrateful, unthankful to the God that hath provided life to his carcass.

    For those stuck on their "good" deeds like hellbound papists (who go about to establish their OWN righteousness instead of hearkening to the Bible,) if we could earn our way into heaven, Jesus died for nothing!

    I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. (Galatians 2:21)

    God is Holy. We are sinful. By His very nature, God cannot have fellowship with us sinners. There is no amount of "good" that we can do to make up for our crimes against God. They must be punished. And the wages are DEATH. Somebody has to DIE. Oh, you'll die physically, sin requires that. But you've got a choice about dying spiritually...

    3. We deserve the death penalty. This includes both physical death (the casket) and spiritual death (when the soul is separated from God and cast into hell).

    [T]he wages of sin is death...(Romans 6:23)

    4. God doesn't want to remain your enemy and He does not want you to go to hell.

    As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die... (Ezekiel 33:11)

    The Lord is...not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. (II Peter 3:9)

    5. In spite of your wickedness and rebellion, God loved you enough to send His ONLY BEGOTTEN Son to die for your sins. The Bible says, "... thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people FROM their sins." (Matt 1:21). Jesus did not die so that you could keep sinning and go to heaven. He came to save you from the GUILT and the POWER of sin. Jesus DESTROYED the works of the devil on calvary (I John 3:8). When you are unsaved, sin hath dominion over you. Sin is your boss and you can't do anything BUT sin. You are under the wrath of a holy and just God. Murderers, thieves, fornicators, lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God, rebels, and all other spiritual lepers will not inherit the kingdom. The blood of Jesus is the propitiation for our sins. That means the blood took away the guilt of the sins we've committed AND it has ushered us into a Father child relationship with the Lord. Through the blood of Jesus, we are to serve sin no more.

    Again, the Father sent His only begotten Son, Jesus who is God, to die in your place. Remember that the wages of sin is death--that is why He died, to pay YOUR wages. The Lord Jesus Christ was your substitutionary sacrifice. The world's greatest love story is summed up in the following verse--

    For God so loved the world, that he gave his ONLY BEGOTTEN Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

    Jesus said, "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." (John 15:13) How can you show more love than giving your very life for someone else's life? You can't. What is more amazing is that Jesus died for us WHEN WE WERE HIS ENEMIES! I mean vile, wicked, pitiful, wretched, unclean, unholy, ungodly, prideful, spiritually leperous.

    Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

    ...Christ died for the ungodly. (Romans 5:6)

    The love of God for you was demonstrated on that cross 2,000 years ago! God ain't hateful, He is loving. He gave His Son for you even though you are dead in tresspasses and sins.

    Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
    2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
    2:3 Among whom also we ALL had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
    2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
    2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
    2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
    2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
    2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
    2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
    2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

    6. Jesus Christ, the Son of God, came to this earth to (1) save you from the GUILT and POWER of your sins and (2) RECONCILE you unto God. Through faith in the blood of Jesus you will escape the wrath to come and joyfully look forward to heaven--and you'll live an overcoming life. God will be your Father instead of your enemy--but only through the blood of Jesus.

    ..the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (I John 1:7)

    For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 6:23)

    7. After His death, the Lord's body laid in the grave three days, but praise be to God, it did not remain there. On the third day Jesus arose from the dead and was seen by over 500 people (I Corin 15:6) before He went back to heaven.

    Please remember that Jesus was not some victim or just a baby in a manger--He was and is the eternal God and Savior who came to earth and gave His own blood for your sins. After He accomplished this tremendous feat, He rose from the dead like He said He would:

    "Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again..." (John 10:17-18)

    ...Christ died for our sins...and he was buried, and...he rose again the third day... (I Corinthians 15:3-4)

    8. Are you ready to repent of your sins? To repent means to forsake your evil ways and listen to God. All your life you've been your own authority concerning what is right and what is wrong. You've made your own decisions while ignoring what the Lord says in His holy word, the Bible. You've served yourself and not God. To repent means that you turn to GOD AND THE BIBLE AS YOUR AUTHORITY. It means you can say, "Lord everything you say in the Bible is right. If my feelings contradict the Bible I AM WRONG. Lord I want to live under YOUR AUTHORITY, not my own."

    And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to REPENT. (Acts 17:30)

    ...TURN TO GOD, AND DO WORKS MEET FOR REPENTANCE. (Acts 26:20)

    Repentance ain't lip service. Are you prepared to live for the Lord? Jesus said this--

    "And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple." (Luke 14:27)

    Determine that you are sick of living under your own authority. You've lived the way YOU wanted to. You lived without regard for God's precepts. Understand in your mind that you've lived in sin and in the ways of death. Think it through. Determine that you want God to be your Father and not your enemy. Decide that you WANT the Lord and His ways. Satan ain't doing nothing but kicking your hind parts up and down the street. He will leave you destroyed. God will lift you up if you submit yourself to Him.

    Friend, you have a choice to make,

    1. keep on pursuing Satan and the fleeting pleasures of sin; or,
    2. humble yourself under the mighty hand of God. Further the kingdom of God with power from above. In due time, He will lift you up to places you never experienced--much less knew they existed.

    9. The Holy Bible is the word of God. It is the only way that we know about the Lord Jesus Christ. In the Bible, God testifies that Jesus Christ died for your sins and was buried; and that He rose from the dead on the third day. You must believe and confess this in order to be saved.

    [I]f thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, THOU SHALT BE SAVED. (Romans 10:9)

    Jesus waits with open arms for those that want life. The choice is yours. If you're sick of being alienated from God, if you're tired of what this wicked and perverse world has to offer, if you want Jesus Christ as Lord of your life, if you want to be reconciled unto your Creator, if you want to go to heaven, if you want to escape hell -- put your faith in the One who can do something about it! Do you believe that Jesus Christ died for you? Do you believe that He rose from the dead? Do you repent of your sins? Do you want to follow Jesus?

    If so, REPENT and talk to the Lord in prayer in your own words right now. Don't put off making a decision for Jesus, tomorrow may be too late. Some people don't know how to pray. Praying is just talking to the Lord. If you want to be saved, repent and pray--you can say something like, "Dear Jesus, I know that I am a sinner and I want to be saved. I repent of my sins, every one. I don't want to do evil anymore, I want to do righteousness through the blood of Jesus. I'm asking you to please forgive me of my sins against you. I want a new life in the Lord Jesus Christ. I want to be everything that You created me to be. I believe that Jesus shed His blood and died for me so that I could be saved from my sins. I believe that He rose from the dead on the third day. I want to be your child. Thank you for being merciful to me, a sinner. Thank you Lord Jesus for saving my soul from sin. Please fill me with your precious, Holy Spirit so that I can live a righteous, self-denying life for you. I'm giving you myself. Please show me what you want me to do. In Jesus' Name I pray, Amen."

    If you have placed your faith in Jesus, praise God, you are a Christian. Now begins your new life of freedom and obedience to the Lord. Now you need to (1) start reading the Bible (Authorized King James Version of 1611--begin with the gospels) and (2) you need to get yourself into a Bible-believing church that uses the King James Bible so you can get baptized and discipled in the way of Christ.

    Please see the section on the new life for more information. If you've gotten saved through this witness, please e-mail me at tracy@jesus-is-lord.com so that we can rejoice together.

    Warning!!!

    Once you get saved, the devil will try to make sure that you encounter false doctrine. Your faith is tender and you will be prone to believe anything people tell you about the Bible (that's why you need to read it for yourself everyday). If you have any questions, please write me and I will direct you to the appropriate scriptures. Please heed these warnings:

    1. Don't let anybody tell you that you have to "speak in tongues" to show that you are saved. These people take one or two passages out of context and make false doctrine out of them.

    2. Don't let anyone tell you that water baptism saves you. If you are saved, you WILL get baptized out of obedience. Saved people are children of obedience (Heb 5:9). The gospel and baptism are separate--I Cor 1:17. You are baptized in order to outwardly identify with the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ and to symbolically show the washing away of sins. So if you are trusting in your baptism to save you, you are wrong. An unrepentant sinner will go down a dry sinner and come out a wet sinner.

    1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

    3. Don't let anybody tell you that you're going to hell if you don't go to church on Saturday--Colossians 2:16, Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days.

    If you have not trusted Christ, I hope that you won't continue to reject His offer of life. You are in a dangerous position. John 3:36 says, "...he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." You will not make it into heaven on your own "good merits" or by your own conception of Who and What God should be like. He always has His way--the choice is yours to accept or reject.

    http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/hellreal.htm
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    Ok, first of all there is no way anybody is going to read all of that, it's just too much copy-and-pasting.

    But anyways, in the end, each religion has it's own set of teachings when it comes to how one can go to heaven or hell.

    In the end for example, you have to prove that Jesus was really God, or that Jesus was really a prophet, or that Christianity is the one true religion, etc.

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    I didn't read the whole thing but.

    1) I might already be destined for Hell
    2) God might have already forgiven me
    3) I could be the AntiChrist

    Check my help me interpret my dream thread to explain those three statements
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    Turkeys!, according to your profile you were born in 1995, right?

    Might I hope that the viewing public keep this in mind and use moderation as they dish out their favorite riposts?

    By the way, fairly impressive amount of scripture-delving for and 11 year old...

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    First of all we all know that you did not write that. Cite your sources when you just copy and paste. What you just committed is plagerism. A quick google search of parts of that post came up with this http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/hellreal.htm

    I'll cut you some slack and spare you from criticizing you for not ever backing up the outlandish claims that such a place exists because I can remember when I was 11 like you I did nothing but spew the rhetoric brainwashed into me by my Christian parents too.

    EDIT: I simulposted with ENSAIS
    By the way, fairly impressive amount of scripture-delving for and 11 year old...
    Read the first paragraph of my post. Of course the 11 year old didn't write that. He just thought he could steal other peoples work.

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    TL/DR.

    Meaning, "too long, didn't read."


    But, considering how this is pretty much a word for word copy of every televangelist sermon I've ever heard, do you expect to get actual results where the thousands before you couldn't with the same approach?

    You get an "A" for gusto and all, but I give you a "D" for originality.

    LAWL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE.

    Then again, you could be joking about all this. I'm nice enough to extend a small amount of disbelief for you, oh pious one.

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    Earth is hell //

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    I would rather live a life of freedom and go to hell than live an eternity of servitude and go to heaven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King_Azzole
    I would rather live a life of freedom and go to hell than live an eternity of servitude and go to heaven.
    That's about the stupidiest thing I've read on this forum for weeks. You obviously don't know that if you go to hell, you'll be there for eternity. That means that there's no end to your suffering. That's what makes hell so scary, especially for people who were raised by religious parents and went to religious schools. I think I'll never be able to shake off all my fear for hell, there'll always be the thought 'If God exists and I stand before him after I die...' in the back of my mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus Scaurus
    That's about the stupidiest thing I've read on this forum for weeks. You obviously don't know that if you go to hell, you'll be there for eternity. That means that there's no end to your suffering. That's what makes hell so scary, especially for people who were raised by religious parents and went to religious schools. I think I'll never be able to shake off all my fear for hell, there'll always be the thought 'If God exists and I stand before him after I die...' in the back of my mind.

    But there is no free will in heaven, it doesent exist there is no evil to tempt mans mind. Hell, on the other hand, will offer one free will, there is evil present so man has both good and evil on his mind, as opposed to only good in hell. And some of us just like freedom.

    Turkeys!, according to your profile you were born in 1995, right?

    Might I hope that the viewing public keep this in mind and use moderation as they dish out their favorite riposts?

    By the way, fairly impressive amount of scripture-delving for and 11 year old...

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    Please, I would rather that you didnt use ad hominem logical fallacies, thank you.
    Just because he might be 11, that does not make anything he says any less relevant than what you say, and this logical fallacy of yours seems like a last ditch attempt to discredit him because you cant do so through dismantling is arguments and reasoning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus Scaurus
    That's about the stupidiest thing I've read on this forum for weeks. You obviously don't know that if you go to hell, you'll be there for eternity. That means that there's no end to your suffering. That's what makes hell so scary, especially for people who were raised by religious parents and went to religious schools. I think I'll never be able to shake off all my fear for hell, there'll always be the thought 'If God exists and I stand before him after I die...' in the back of my mind.
    Then I'd assume he was reasonable about things, and rationally argue with him. Since that isn't a possibility though...

    Anyway. He has a point; Hell is eternal suffering but Heaven is eternal servitude and basically slavery to the will of a so-called merciful deity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Grim Squeaker
    Anyway. He has a point; Hell is eternal suffering but Heaven is eternal servitude and basically slavery to the will of a so-called merciful deity.
    Which would you prefer?



    I am a Catholic I agree with much of Justinians post, God and the world is not and does not see things in black and white. The world is much more complex than what you say Turkeys....and frankly I believe God is too.
    I do believe in Hell, I just do not believe that your explanation is the right one.

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    God is unproven. The Bible's claim that it accurately describes God's nature and is inspired by him is unfounded. I have no fear of something that does not exist, nor do I agree with your description of a 'loving' God, which is dependent on perspective - not what the Bible affirms. By all means, keep quoting a book I use as a doormat, you'll not convince anybody because your argumentum ad baculum is reliant on the assumption that God exists and that the Bible is his word.

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    Never mind.

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    Did you know that if you do not belong to Jesus Christ you belong to Satan? You don't have to be a card carrying Satanist to serve Satan. You don't have to be a murderer, drunkard or drug addict, either. All you have to do is ignore Jesus Christ. If you don't have Jesus today, you are deceived and hell bound--you are a child of hell, a child of the devil.
    Unfortunately for us, the world is not black and white - if it were life would be so much simpler. To take this statement as fact, you have to accept the world as black and white, with a strict dividing line between right and wrong, and no such thing exists. Until you can prove the universe is black and white, that statement has no logical bearing. It is exactly the kind of thinking that is scorned in politics (if you're not with us, you're against us), not to mention in rational philosophy.

    How many times have I heard someone say, "A loving God wouldn't put His creatures in hell." Well I have news for you, friend, God doesn't put anyone in hell--their sins put them there.
    If this omnipotent entity God exists, he made sins and sins are his will. God controls everything and everything happens only with his consent (in fact, everything that happens has to be his idea for the thought of God to mean anything). No matter how many more steps you add (sin comes from Satan, sin comes from the world, sin comes from the world which comes from Satan) all roads lead to God, thus everything is God's fault, thus he sends his "creations" to hell. If everything isn't God's fault, God is worthless.

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    Servitude is suffering!
    'Only a few prefer liberty, the majority desire nothing more than fair masters.' - Although primarily concerned with politics, this saying does speak volumes about monotheism. In my experience, only a select few individuals find the notion of God reprehensible, desiring self-determination and individual liberty as opposed to the comfort provided by the fatherly guidance of God.

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    Come on, guys! Turkeys! posts were really entertaining, not to mention he/she did his/her best (some people's best is cutting and pasting) to save all of us before it is too late. As he nicely cut&pasted it, "You have been warned. Repent or perish"
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    Good Lord! I can't believe that there are still people out there who would do this sort of twisted **** to their 11-year-old. What a shame. I will pray for Turkeys to the Invisible Pink Unicorn, who is creator, lord and protector over all.

    Moreover, I can't believe that a conscientious and concerned Christian parent would allow their child to access a hotbed of moral relativism, logic, and truthiness such as the Rome:Total War forums.

    I also can't believe a single word of what was initially posted. Basing arguments on the veracity of a collection of writings whose essential accuracy is totally without proof or support of any kind is a really ridiculous way to construct a religion. This is why I prefer to believe only what God tells me personally. Like the time he told me to go to the Total War forums, name myself mrjesushat, and choose two flies making sweet love as my avatar.



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    Anyway. He has a point; Hell is eternal suffering but Heaven is eternal servitude and basically slavery to the will of a so-called merciful deity.
    since when? That certainly isn't the definition of heaven based on biblical scripture. Heaven is a reward, paradise. An eternity with the loving God and those whom you came to love throughout your lifetime. You may serve God in heaven because you wish to, not because you are made to. Hell is seperation from God where evil is allowed to exist in abundancy. You will suffer eternally with nobody at your side to love you or protect you.

    May I pose the question: which do you prefer?

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    You will suffer eternally with nobody at your side to love you or protect you.
    Can two people in hell not love each other?

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