Will Epirus start out at war with Athens and Macedon?

[Lugotorix]

Epirus is at war with Sparta, which is an ally of Macedon. The implications lead to a rather desperate starting scenario for Epirus. So....

[ChairmanCrassus]

When they played the Carthage campaign on Youtube you could see that Epirus was conquered by Sparta. Unless Epirus is controlled by a human player it won't do to well. Shame because if this was real life Sparta would probably have a harder time than Epirus.

[Chirurgeon]

http://maps.totalwar.com/
tells you all the people a province is owned by and at war with

[ChairmanCrassus]

http://maps.totalwar.com/
tells you all the people a province is owned by and at war with

So basically Epirus will get gangbanged by Macedon, Sparta, and Athens.

[Lugotorix]

So basically Epirus will get gangbanged by Macedon, Sparta, and Athens.

This is my concern. I've used the map of course.

[Chirurgeon]

it looks like the greeks will generally get gangbanged by each other. My first campaign will be athens and I plan on taking crete and Rhodes since those two cities are independent. use that income to fuel a was against sparta and then head north

[ChairmanCrassus]

it looks like the greeks will generally get gangbanged by each other. My first campaign will be athens and I plan on taking crete and Rhodes since those two cities are independent. use that income to fuel a was against sparta and then head north

My plan also, so I guess Epirus will only be double penetrated now

[♠ Thomas Cochrane ♠]

Well Epirus is only at war with Sparta. And Sparta - being a vassal - has very limited diplomatical freedom, so if Epirus made a treaty with Macedon, then surely Sparta would have to capitulate. Epirus and Etruria are on their way out, and don't last much longer than the game's start, but still, it's Macedon that should have the power in Greece, not Sparta or Epirus

[Chirurgeon]

Well Epirus is only at war with Sparta. And Sparta - being a vassal - has very limited diplomatical freedom, so if Epirus made a treaty with Macedon, then surely Sparta would have to capitulate. Epirus and Etruria are on their way out, and don't last much longer than the game's start, but still, it's Macedon that should have the power in Greece, not Sparta or Epirus

That is the beauty of this game...Athens will become the dominant power in the Eastern Med and will eventually have to deal with whoever dominates the Western med. Exciting times Well at least in my game of course

[Aelita]

Sparta is not a vassal, they are just allies with macedon, Athens is the vassal to macedon

[Irishman]

Well Epirus is only at war with Sparta. And Sparta - being a vassal - has very limited diplomatical freedom, so if Epirus made a treaty with Macedon, then surely Sparta would have to capitulate. Epirus and Etruria are on their way out, and don't last much longer than the game's start, but still, it's Macedon that should have the power in Greece, not Sparta or Epirus

Is Sparta a vassal? I see that Athens is, but Sparta is listed as an ally, not vassal, of Macedon.

[CDR Hurricane]

So basically Epirus will get gangbanged by Macedon, Sparta, and Athens.

Probably, yes. Winning the landgrab will be important for all three of these factions, especially Sparta since they don't start with a port.

Is Sparta a vassal? I see that Athens is, but Sparta is listed as an ally, not vassal, of Macedon.

No. Sparta is only an ally.

[baldrick13]

sparta can call for help at any time when fighting epirus so that athens and macedon can join sparta in the war.

this can give epirus the largest territorial disadvantage of all the greek states (and yes, i do sort of count macedon as one of the greek states despite not being in the dlc, because when i played rome 1 i sorted the factions into groups based off of their military styles. For example the roman families, the barbarians, the people from the east and the greeks).

[Paok]

Macedonias spoke Greek,wrote Greek,fought like Greek,had Greek names,Greek ideas,worshipped Greek gods,took part in the Olympic Games and were considered Greek!They just had a harder accent...It's stupid for someone not considering them Greek!!

[theDaedricPrince]

I'm guessing Epirus' campaign will be a bit harder than Sparta's?

[:jason:]

A possible strategy might be to spend as much as possible on mercenaries to fight on both fronts. If the player can defeat Sparta, they can disband those troops to fund the Northern effort against Macedonia? Or reach out to Rome to help? Depends on the diplomatic menu of course and how much Rome favors Epirus.

[Lugotorix]

A possible strategy might be to spend as much as possible on mercenaries to fight on both fronts. If the player can defeat Sparta, they can disband those troops to fund the Northern effort against Macedonia? Or reach out to Rome to help? Depends on the diplomatic menu of course and how much Rome favors Epirus.

Yeah, It's an Ironman scenario however they throw it. Historically Rome wouldn't favor Epirus at all, as their invasion was a recent memory. Phillip V of Macedon allied with Carthage soon after Hannibal's successes, because he feared Roman power was inevitably headed east. Macedon is one of the three most powerful starting positions, probably the second, and to add two surrounding factions at war for a playable faction requires a disclaimer for campaign difficulty. There might be another element we don't know about, such as a large Epiriot starting army, or a starting mission that requires you to make peace with Macedon, or something to that end.

[Smiling Hetairoi]

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