Dismounting Cavalry?

[katsusand]

Hello, sorry if my topic is old or somthing but,Is there a way to dismount Cavalry? e.g can i dismount mamluks?

[The Mongol]

You can indeed dismount cavalry, I think it was Burebista who said you can buy cavalry and then dismount them if you choose before battle.

[Obershutze]

Confirmed here:
http://pc.ign.com/articles/731/731089p1.html

[nameless]

What are the advantages of dismounting cavalry? Is it just removing the penalty they get fighting against spearmen?

[The White Knight]

What are the advantages of dismounting cavalry? Is it just removing the penalty they get fighting against spearmen?

It would just make them "a foot unit". An advantage that springs to my mind is in city/castle-battles were a mounted soldier is often just a bigger target for the defenders on the walls, and that cavalry-units can't quite do "their thing" in cities, because there isn't enough place.

[DougyM]

What are the advantages of dismounting cavalry? Is it just removing the penalty they get fighting against spearmen?

Well in MTW you could not train chivalrous knights (ie... the best damned infantry ever) so you just trained a load of high up mounted units.... then before a battle started you made them go on foot.

All it does it make it so you have excellent foot troops rather than cavarly.

[shenmueguru]

Though they cannot be dismounted during a battle, correct?

[The Mongol]

I'm pretty sure, I think they said you have to make your decision to dismount them before battle during the formation setup.

[The Lord Of Dance]

I would typical dismount my troops if I were facing hordes of spearmen.

[Korinthos Hoplites]

Totally off-topic but where do I find those MTW2 signatures?

[The Lord Of Dance]

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=61361
There ya go man, they are pretty nice.

[Korinthos Hoplites]

Thanx

[Zhuge_Liang]

It makes sense that you can only dismount them before a battle as the amount of extra material needed for any semi-realistic dismounting/remounting in a battle would be huge.

[Korinthos Hoplites]

Yeah, quite large:
Horsekeepers, animations, horses, time for horses to arrive at the knights and alternative horse riders (at least)

[lightbringer418]

Dismounting before a battle isn't as usefull as during a battle.

But the most important thing is that the men should be able to fall off of the horse! When horsemen charge directly into say...infantry, then the at least a few horsemen would go flying forward into the ranks. Also, if an arrow hits a horse, why does the man die? And vice versa? It looks rediculous. If a horse dies the man should be able to get back up and keep fighting, but I know the TW engine would probably never allow that.

[Korinthos Hoplites]

Dismounting before a battle isn't as usefull as during a battle.

But the most important thing is that the men should be able to fall off of the horse! When horsemen charge directly into say...infantry, then the at least a few horsemen would go flying forward into the ranks. Also, if an arrow hits a horse, why does the man die? And vice versa? It looks rediculous. If a horse dies the man should be able to get back up and keep fighting, but I know the TW engine would probably never allow that.

That is a very good idea that every strategy player must have (pre-requirement)
The day a full scale game like TW has such feature then it will be very sucessfull (IMO)

[Soulflame]

That is a very good idea that every strategy player must have (pre-requirement)
The day a full scale game like TW has such feature then it will be very sucessfull (IMO)

I don't think that's very likely to happen, there are many complications. The largest one is that the cavalry unit won't be a full cavalry unit anymore. You'd be commanding a unit of say 20 horse and 3 de-horsed men. Giving a unit like that orders is going to be odd since those 3 men obviously can't be used for the same purpose as the horsed units are... the 3 men are just infantry in a cavalry unit.
I don't think that's easily changable. They could split those 3 guys off in a seperate new unit, but there are several complications with that too (like the number or unit cards that can exist). And indiviual control of every unit on the battlefield will strip down the feeling that makes a Total War game, a Total War game (since then it would be more like an RTS).

Although realistically it might be a bit weird, this is one of the things that probably won't change soon and we'll just have to accept. (and I personally like the batallion-command in TW more then to fix this issue and changing the command into something else).

[Obershutze]

Dismounting before a battle isn't as usefull as during a battle.

But the most important thing is that the men should be able to fall off of the horse! When horsemen charge directly into say...infantry, then the at least a few horsemen would go flying forward into the ranks. Also, if an arrow hits a horse, why does the man die? And vice versa? It looks rediculous. If a horse dies the man should be able to get back up and keep fighting, but I know the TW engine would probably never allow that.

Centors FTW!! :tooth:

[crazyhorse]

You guys do realize the chances of a guy surviving his horses death would be quite small in reality. Besides the good chance the horse would rear back throwing him off and then having a thousand pound beast crush him, he might be trampled by his buddies or break his neck or back at the very least. If he did survive it would likely be with a broken arm or leg which would place him into the "injured but healed at end of battle" category. The only realistic thing I could see would be guys falling off horses and said horses without riders running away from the battle.

[Korinthos Hoplites]

You guys do realize the chances of a guy surviving his horses death would be quite small in reality. Besides the good chance the horse would rear back throwing him off and then having a thousand pound beast crush him, he might be trampled by his buddies or break his neck or back at the very least. If he did survive it would likely be with a broken arm or leg which would place him into the "injured but healed at end of battle" category. The only realistic thing I could see would be guys falling off horses and said horses without riders running away from the battle.

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