Would it be wise?

[Centurio (Latin)]

Now with Rome 2 just a few weeks away I've started wondering about my planned Athens campaign. Just a few days ago I was contemplating whether or not it would be possible and maybe wise or insane to amass a huge fleet of about 32 carrier ships containing my entire army and 8 artillery ships in order to take them on a voyage to a major yummy rich city such as Carthage.
Now I'd be planning to carry out the invasion as early as possible in the campaign so i'd be using every one of my units and putting them towards the invasion. This then means Athens will be vulnerable as I wont have any units to defend Athens itself. This may sound strange but I am willing to trade my capital for another richer capital which is within my grasp if the worst comes to worst and of course i'll end up retaking Athens later on if Epirus or Sparta take it from me while i'm away. I have no doubt I can beat the Carthaginians this early on in the campaign even if they'll outnumber me but if I do end up conquering them the riches and spoils will be huge and very beneficial for growing my Empire.
HOWEVER
It's kind of a gamble though because if I lose my invasion army in the siege of Carthage I'll be defenseless and probably lose the campaign the few turns that follow after that. If I take Carthage I'll recruit mercenaries using what money I have and go all out on the rest of Carthage's settlements.

[GussieFinkNottle]

Save before the battle at Carthage and then reload if you lose
Problem solved

The major danger is your capital being captured before you reach Carthage, and you therefore lose the campaign with no cities. Try to get on very good terms with the other Greek states before leaving

[jthewonder]

"Would it be wise?"
Problably not but i really like your idea and might try out something similar in one of my own games. After all, no risk no gain.

[Ringir]

As athen you are the vassal of the macedonia, so you are may not able to declare war on carthage.

[Jester]

go for egypt instead.

it s closer and probably richer

[andrew2788]

Honestly as Athens I would take and fortify Greece and sit on that for a couple turn to churn out gold to build your fleet. According to the campaign planner Athens is a client state of Macedon which is allies with Sparta with Sparta being at war with Epirus. So you could take Epirus with no issues from Macedon or Sparta, take out Sparta then Macedon then build up and take take Carthage. Alternatively you could take out the nearby islands of Rhodos, Salamis and Hierapytna which will probably be good little trade hubs as well as having (most likely) building you need for a decent navy.

[ab1713]

Now with Rome 2 just a few weeks away I've started wondering about my planned Athens campaign. Just a few days ago I was contemplating whether or not it would be possible and maybe wise or insane to amass a huge fleet of about 32 carrier ships containing my entire army and 8 artillery ships in order to take them on a voyage to a major yummy rich city such as Carthage.
Now I'd be planning to carry out the invasion as early as possible in the campaign so i'd be using every one of my units and putting them towards the invasion. This then means Athens will be vulnerable as I wont have any units to defend Athens itself. This may sound strange but I am willing to trade my capital for another richer capital which is within my grasp if the worst comes to worst and of course i'll end up retaking Athens later on if Epirus or Sparta take it from me while i'm away. I have no doubt I can beat the Carthaginians this early on in the campaign even if they'll outnumber me but if I do end up conquering them the riches and spoils will be huge and very beneficial for growing my Empire.
HOWEVER
It's kind of a gamble though because if I lose my invasion army in the siege of Carthage I'll be defenseless and probably lose the campaign the few turns that follow after that. If I take Carthage I'll recruit mercenaries using what money I have and go all out on the rest of Carthage's settlements.

In my opinion you would be better trying to take Alexandria first. Carthage may be the bigger and more rich city but Alexandria is the gateway into Egypt and if you conquer Egypt you will have a much better territory than Carthage would provide. You have 3 wonders in 3 bordering regions (the lighthouse, oracle of Amun-Re, and pyramids which of course all give you buffs), and you have two sources of grain, one source of iron, and one source of olive oil. This is, of course, just my opinion and you are going to do what ever you think best for your campaign but if I was going to do what you are planning I would go for Egypt first, then Carthage.

[Dominian]

It will most likely take you a long time to construct those ships and will cost you a lot of money. It might even be faster to fight a small war against another greek state or macedonia and then instead of going north you could just go ahead and sack a major city with an invasion just as easy. But with those additional provinces and ports you might get to carthage just as fast. Also you would be able to spit out a full stacked army in less time if you have mor than just one province. So you might not have to leave your lands completely unprotected to attacks from the north and east.

In every TW game so far you could just land a full stacked Army and sack any city you want. So you can do this later on just as well. It might even be better easier to fight Carthago when they are in a war with another nation instead of going all out on an early war. You will never be able to build your invading army + ships faster than they will have build up their defensive armies.

So no. I don't think it is wise to do this. It might be fun though and that's a good argument for trying

[Hazelnut]

I want to do something similar, but for me Denmark seems like a good place to conquer. Might be a good idea to take Create or Rhodes first, in case someone takes Athens.
Current plan:
Ship up the Black sea before crossing to the Baltic or navigating the Dnieper some way if that’s possible.
Destroy the Catiaroi, make a vassal of the Budini, then destroy the Aestii. That will hopefully cover the cost of my army and give me somewhere to replenish as I march, since the Budini has a big province.
Hopefully the Crimbi will still be around so I don’t have to engage the Suebi before I have had time to reform my army.
Take control and Germania wait for the Romans to find me and give them a little surprise.
What can go wrong?

[RGA]

Kinda reminds me of the Syracuse expedition. And we all know how well it went

[Centurio (Latin)]

I think I'll take Rhodos before Invading Carthage just so I have a wonder and an extra settlement at my disposal.

[Virtanen]

the beauty with games is that you get to try multiple times

[Dominian]

Ok after taking a close look at this https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...maWZPbnc&gid=0 I would say that the following is a sound campaign plan:

Play as Sparta. You are at war with Epirus. They are you neighbours and have two regions while you have one. They also have a wonder, olive oil and wine production. Macedonia is your ally and Athens is their vassal, so Greece should be peaceful once you killed off those pesky Epirii. You now have 2 wonders, 3 regions and 2 sources of production. Time to build ships and troops.

Don't attack Carthage. Carthage is a piece of crap prize. First of all it is a vassal. Secondly it has no wonders, no resources and only 4 regions. Egypt on the other hand has 2 wonders, 4 resources and 6 regions. A bigger and much more attractive prize. But there is more! (Billy Mays rest in peace): It has a vassal called Cyprus. A two region faction confined to their island with glassware production (only five of those in the game). You also will get some more use out of your ships if you conquer cyprus after Egypt.

If this works you have ships, lands north and south of the mediterranian sea, high income and many wonders. From this position one should be able to support many armies and conquer anyone you want.

[Ariamanesh]

Now with Rome 2 just a few weeks away I've started wondering about my planned Athens campaign. Just a few days ago I was contemplating whether or not it would be possible and maybe wise or insane to amass a huge fleet of about 32 carrier ships containing my entire army and 8 artillery ships in order to take them on a voyage to a major yummy rich city such as Carthage.
Now I'd be planning to carry out the invasion as early as possible in the campaign so i'd be using every one of my units and putting them towards the invasion. This then means Athens will be vulnerable as I wont have any units to defend Athens itself. This may sound strange but I am willing to trade my capital for another richer capital which is within my grasp if the worst comes to worst and of course i'll end up retaking Athens later on if Epirus or Sparta take it from me while i'm away. I have no doubt I can beat the Carthaginians this early on in the campaign even if they'll outnumber me but if I do end up conquering them the riches and spoils will be huge and very beneficial for growing my Empire.
HOWEVER
It's kind of a gamble though because if I lose my invasion army in the siege of Carthage I'll be defenseless and probably lose the campaign the few turns that follow after that. If I take Carthage I'll recruit mercenaries using what money I have and go all out on the rest of Carthage's settlements.

This is madness if you ask me!If i was at your place i would play for about 20-30 turns without declaring any war and just work on my economic terms.Probably sending my diplomats and making some rich and reliable allies(this is debatable because tw game,s ai was always backstabber and traitor and i know nothing about its changes in this version yet)such as carthage or ptolmayic egypt or specially the thracians(these neighbors could be useful at the moment of war with macedonians)or romans(this is deadly move against epirus i think.Then i will decide who will be my enemy(first making allies then enemies).But everything depend on AI too.
Maybe they starting a war on me first!
And remember something that you may can reach carthage but at the cost of loosing your proper unit roster(i think many athenian unique units could not be train anywhere else but Helles).

[Centurio (Latin)]

This is madness if you ask me!If i was at your place i would play for about 20-30 turns without declaring any war and just work on my economic terms.Probably sending my diplomats and making some rich and reliable allies(this is debatable because tw game,s ai was always backstabber and traitor and i know nothing about its changes in this version yet)such as carthage or ptolmayic egypt or specially the thracians(these neighbors could be useful at the moment of war with macedonians)or romans(this is deadly move against epirus i think.Then i will decide who will be my enemy(first making allies then enemies).But everything depend on AI too.Maybe they starting a war on me first! And remember something that you may can reach carthage but at the cost of loosing your proper unit roster(i think many athenian unique units could not be train anywhere else but Helles).

Madness?!?!?!??! THIS IS SPARTA!!!!!!!!!!! DROP KICK YO ASS down a water well

[Ariamanesh]

Double

[Ariamanesh]

Madness?!?!?!??! THIS IS SPARTA!!!!!!!!!!! DROP KICK YO ASS down a water well

But sadly it is not SPARTA(when i climbing the well after falling)

[Centurio (Latin)]

But sadly it is not SPARTA(when i climbing the well after falling)

Haha too right

[BroskiDerpman]

Go for Egypt, there your exodus will have a better chance plus more benefits in the long term.