Phoenician culture in Rome II "evidence"?

[Lockcaps]

Hi, as many of you know Jack recently unveiled that there will be 4 cultures in Rome II : Roman, Greek, Barbarian, and Eastern. Many people then asked "But what about Carthage?" (and unfortunately recieved no answer).

However i looked at the campaign LP again, and i noticed something:



The Macedonians obviously have greek culture, and it's represented by the greek letter omega. The carthaginians have a different symbol, however. I am not an expert on ancient symbols but i managed to find this picture:

According to wikipedia, that is the symbol of Tanit.

You can also see the symbol in this screenshot


Also, one of the soldiers in the sacred band has this symbol on his shield


Obviously it's not 100% sure until we get official confirmation but it seems pretty likely that Carthage will have it's own culture.

[Xyloto]

Good find!

[SacredPie]

Nice find

[babydoc]

QED

Damn good job Watson!

[Hattori]

Could this just be a symbol for the faction itself and maybe carthage will share greek culture?

[-Concrete-]

Good find. It may just be that the 4 'cultures' can include pretty wide variances. A 5th culture would be cool though, considering the start date.

[DavidtheDuke]

I just hope the number of cultures isn't hardcoded, and each culture's attributes are interchangable. However it should be assumed they aren't, unfortunately. With that said, I believe Carthage having the same culture as Greece is acceptable, I suppose.

[kamikazee786]

Well done + rep

ofcourse you do know what this means

its time for the Arab battle cry !!!

[Spartacus041]

I was curious about Carthage's culture too. Since being part of "eastern" culture would mean it shares the same tech tree and buildings as Parthia and being part of Greek culture would also be quite ridiculous. I think perhaps the "subculture" is more important in this game than we quite understand right now. We know for a fact that "Barbarian" culture is subdivided into subcultures like Germanic and Celtic. I'm guessing this is the case for "eastern" (a very generic culture group) and they are instead subdivided into things like persian, egyptian, semitic and phoenician. I'm hoping that the case. So perhaps the symbol is referring to the phoenician subculture belonging to the larger "eastern" group?

[Rhaegar1]

I'm pretty sure that CA distinguishes 4 big cultures and multiple sub-cultures so I don't really see what's the problem with carthage belonging to the bigger "easter" culture group with a distinguished phoenician sub-culture.

I just hope that the culture in a certain region has a big influence on the type of units you can recruit there.

[Spartacus041]

I don't really see what's the problem with carthage belonging to the bigger "easter" culture group with a distinguished phoenician sub-culture.

I don't see a problem with it either. I just hope the "subcultures" are quite an important differentiation. Barbarian and Eastern culture groupings are quite generic.

[nrthee2]

nice find

[-iceblade^]

Correct me if I'm wrong but by that time Carthage had adapted several Greek customs and cultures, and of course Carthage was originally Phoenician. I'm inclined to think they'd be a Greek subculture rather than a distinct culture of their own, but then given they're one of 2 factions with different true "family houses" who knows which way it'll play out. Nice investigating though

[Sir Robin]

I figure that Carthage is likely its own subculture inside the four metacultures. Instead of its own metaculture. As far as which metaculture? I would lean towards Eastern.

[General David]

It could be a symbol reserved for Carthage, but it could also be used for all Eastern factions including Parthia, Pontus and Egypt.

[GussieFinkNottle]

You are probably right, particularly since Roman culture was represented with a laurel wreath, similarly to this

[Murfmurf]

That symbol I think (if my memory of one module on Carthage in my degree serves me) is actually for Baal'Hammon (sun and crescent moon). The vaguely woman shaped symbol is for Tanit.

The image of the stelae you provided has both symbols, as does the shield, whilst the one from the game we presume to be the cultural symbol is just Baal

[spartan_warrior]

That symbol is definitely for the Phoenician sub-culture. Just like the Omega is for the Greeks, and Laurel wreath for the Romans. Also in rally point 15 you can see the Germanic sub-culture icon, which appears to be the runic symbol Fehu (Video Link)

[Maklodes]

But Carthage (10°11′E) is to the west of Rome (12° 30′E), and way to the west of Greece. How can that be Eastern? D:

[Sir Robin]

But Carthage (10°11′E) is to the west of Rome (12° 30′E), and way to the west of Greece. How can that be Eastern? D:

Because the Phoenicians, who founded Carthage, came from the area that is Lebanon, Syria, and Israel today.

Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenicia

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I bet that CA's lack of a response probably means Carthage will be a Greek subculture. Personally I don't agree with it ,but the complete lack of response to the variety of times it was asked makes me suspect it is so.

Hopefully it can be modded.