Here is CA's vision of the Eternal City - what do you think?

[GussieFinkNottle]

Hello TWC, I noticed CA has surreptitiously unveiled their build of the Eternal City

I made a thread because I thought this is a pretty good find, an important part of the game that people would like to scrutinise, and it's good eye candy

For those that didn't spot it I have attached a screen from the 'find a way' trailer (0:33) of the city of Rome
Now that CA has shown us what Rome will look like, what do you think? Do you like the size, and depiction of Roman architecture, and can you spot any famous buildings? Who can identify any of the baths, temples or one of the 7 hills? Remember this is Rome at the time of Hannibal crossing the Alps (218 BC)
(Click image to enlarge)

(This one's from a fraction of a second later - less crisp but as big as it'll get.)
Is that the Flavian Amphitheatre (Colosseum) I see on the far right? Perhaps the city is generic across all ages in Rome 2

Can you work out where the camera is looking from?

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Feast your eyes people! Quite a gem that it seems managed to sneak past us until now

[MemnonOfRhodes]

Good, now imagine it in flames....



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[|Sith|Galvanized Iron]

Good, now imagine it in flames....



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That would be classified as erotic content and could not be posted

[Knight of Heaven]

Im not sure i like it. Too much white. Too much marble white. The least they could do was paint it.

[|Sith|Galvanized Iron]

Im not sure i like it. Too much white. Too much marble white. At least they could have paint it.

Yep that doesn't look very homely at all, this is what a home looks like:

[GussieFinkNottle]

Im not sure i like it. Too much white. Too much marble white. The least they could do was paint it.

It's certainly not as yellowy-brown as HBO Rome, but do remember you are looking at the Curia/Forum kind of area, where the buildings would be of the best quality, look at the bottom right of the second pic and you can see the buildings get a bit more yellowy away from the centre, and is that the Subura I see in the distance?

[|Sith|Galvanized Iron]

It's certainly not as yellowy-brown as HBO Rome, but do remember you are looking at the Curia/Forum kind of area, where the buildings would be of the best quality, look at the bottom right of the second pic and you can see the buildings get a bit more yellowy away from the centre, and is that the Subura I see in the distance?

Yep it is Wisteria Lane.

[underworld965]

It's certainly not as yellowy-brown as HBO Rome, but do remember you are looking at the Curia/Forum kind of area, where the buildings would be of the best quality, look at the bottom right of the second pic and you can see the buildings get a bit more yellowy away from the centre, and is that the Subura I see in the distance?

That show was soooo good.

[Spartacus041]

THEY MUST BE PUNISHED

[|Sith|Galvanized Iron]

THEY MUST BE PUNISHED

Agreed, that Roman guy is really a sucker for punishment.

[Knight of Heaven]

Gussie gets it.
Even so, the best proeminent marble buildings werent that white, they had alot of more decorative paint jobs arround it. even the colums were painted in several colours. The statues are a prime example, they all looked like as closely as a person, paintjob wise.

The ideia, of a white shining cities of classical times is a myth. What we see today, in most artifacts and objects is actualy marble in its raw form, because the paint already wore off.
I recon Ca is doing this to apease and macth this pre concept intheir audience minds.
Allthough i will much like to see something diferent. And yeah Rome Hbo Tv show, is a prime example of a more acurate depiction of it.

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[111289]

I really happy with what I've seen it looks so big. Will make playing as any of the non roman factions sooooo much more satisfying. especially when you imagine you can control your catapults in 1st person, Ahhhhh the joy of firing a flaming ball into a domus or greater.

[Marcus Aemilius Lepidus]

To much marble. Rome wasn't that white, except maybe some celebration days when the forum was cleaned up for. The marble city is something late 1th century AD, before that and later the most buildings were not of marble. Further was Rome propably the same dirty and ill-smelling city as it is today.

It looks like more the Fantasy Hollywood version of Rome from Gladiator than the more accurate one from HBO's Rome.

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As if there was ever such a big place in the center of rome or such a straight triumph street.

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A much better imagagination of the size in the center of Rome.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

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[PROMETHEUS ts]

To much marble. Rome wasn't that white, except maybe some celebration days when the forum was cleaned up for. The marble city is something late 1th century AD, before that and later the most buildings were not of marble. Further was Rome propably the same dirty and ill-smelling city as it is today.

It looks like more the Fantasy Hollywood version of Rome from Gladiator than the more accurate one from HBO's Rome.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

As if there was ever such a big place in the center of rome or such a straight triumph street.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

A much better imagagination of the size in the center of Rome.

Well apart the Usual bias and Direct Insult to the actual city of Rome . wich I find offensive even for the actual modern citizens .
Coming from someone living in a Berlin wich was just a mudpit out of sedimentary and badsmelling swamps its a big comment .

then you clearly have no idea of how Rome was like neither you do , the only reason why you are posting those comments are your usual bias versus Rome and its history that has actually really started to annoy .

The CA representation is more based on the Imperial Rome rather than the Republican one .
Plus the HBO one was simply overexagerated with the worn out just for "cool effect" and it was not like that . The buildings in HBO as well as costumes are not correct and precise , as is showing also the strange black eagle thing .
Plus the difference in budged forced the HBO to dwarf the size of the buildings . the same uniforms and shields are not really precise and correct . While instead the imperial troops in the first opening scenes portraying the roman troops and the barbarians were historically correct .

The View of Rome in Gladiator instea is based on the actual plans and buildings of Imperial Rome , the Coloseum is exactly reproduced .

Callign it fantasy just shows how poor knowledge you have of Rome and Actual history in general .

then there u can see how Real Rome looked much more similar to Gladiator than the HBO ....

and again said the one portrayed by CA goes for the Imperial style ....



Perhaps the CA one look perfect but is too early to judge from the pics .... according to those though looks pretty close to how it could look ...

[Keyser]

The View of Rome in Gladiator instea is based on the actual plans and buildings of Imperial Rome , the Coloseum is exactly reproduced .

Callign it fantasy just shows how poor knowledge you have of Rome and Actual history in general .

Yep, sure...

Are you implying that Saint Peter's square was in fact built during the roman period and that it had a direct view on the Colosseum ?
Or do you know of a similarly shaped and sized plazza of the roman period ?

That you prefer Gladiator's reconstitution of Rome is one thing.
That you think HBO's Rome isn't as accurate as often claimed is another one (on wich i would agree, but it had the merit of trying to depict it differently).

But Gladiator's Rome is totally fantasy... It's amazing you are arguing it's accurate... Accurate reconstitution of the Colosseum notwithstanding.

As to Marcus Aemilius Lepidus, i think you are overemphasing his supposed anti-roman bias because of your own bias.


That said, i admit his latest post on this thread regarding the dirt and smell of Rome is... undiplomatic at best and might be insulting (although as a parisian, i could understand someone making this kind of remarks regarding Paris, never went to Rome though, so i can't compare...) but he might just have meant that it wasn't some kind of shiny and immaculate city, more a living and busy city, full of the dirt and bad smells of hundred of thousands of people, just like the modern one, or any other living city for that matter...

[GussieFinkNottle]

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[GussieFinkNottle]

Yep, sure...

Are you implying that Saint Peter's square was in fact built during the roman period and that it had a direct view on the Colosseum ?
Or do you know of a similarly shaped and sized plazza of the roman period ?

That you prefer Gladiator's reconstitution of Rome is one thing.
That you think HBO's Rome isn't as accurate as often claimed is another one (on wich i would agree, but it had the merit of trying to depict it differently).

But Gladiator's Rome is totally fantasy... It's amazing you are arguing it's accurate... Accurate reconstitution of the Colosseum notwithstanding.

As to Marcus Aemilius Lepidus, i think you are overemphasing his supposed anti-roman bias because of your own bias.


That said, i admit his latest post on this thread regarding the dirt and smell of Rome is... undiplomatic at best and might be insulting (although as a parisian, i could understand someone making this kind of remarks regarding Paris, never went to Rome though, so i can't compare...)

No the statement that Gladiator's Rome is 'totally fantasy' is, to state it baldly, wrong​. look at Prom's posted model of Rome. They are in building '32' just above the Colosseum. Look at the angle of this building. Direct view of the amphitheatre, no?

[Keyser]

No the statement that Gladiator's Rome is 'totally fantasy' is, to state it baldly, wrong​. look at Prom's posted model of Rome. They are in building '32' just above the Colosseum. Look at the angle of this building. Direct view of the amphitheatre, no?

Those are Trajan's baths, the plazza would look smaller, there are no triumphal arc either and it's not directly aligned with the colosseum.
Anyway, even if the director wanted to recreate this area (i wonder why, but let's admit it), the movie is full of innacuracies, such as the several shots of the city when inside the "palace" where you can clearly see, modified by CGI, renaissance churches etc.
The shots of the "walls" are from an area in Malta where the movie was filmed, they are in stone, with a large moat, whereas as far as i know, Rome's walls were in bricks...

It doesn't really matter anyway, it's just a movie and it's evident the simplest way for them was to shoot the movie in real places and modify them accordingly to look authentic.
But knowing that, i find strange that someone is saying it's not a fantasy Rome...

[PROMETHEUS ts]

Yep, sure...

Are you implying that Saint Peter's square was in fact built during the roman period and that it had a direct view on the Colosseum ?
Or do you know of a similarly shaped and sized plazza of the roman period ?

That you prefer Gladiator's reconstitution of Rome is one thing.
That you think HBO's Rome isn't as accurate as often claimed is another one (on wich i would agree, but it had the merit of trying to depict it differently).

But Gladiator's Rome is totally fantasy... It's amazing you are arguing it's accurate... Accurate reconstitution of the Colosseum notwithstanding.

As to Marcus Aemilius Lepidus, i think you are overemphasing his supposed anti-roman bias because of your own bias.


That said, i admit his latest post on this thread regarding the dirt and smell of Rome is... undiplomatic at best and might be insulting (although as a parisian, i could understand someone making this kind of remarks regarding Paris, never went to Rome though, so i can't compare...) but he might just have meant that it wasn't some kind of shiny and immaculate city, more a living and busy city, full of the dirt and bad smells of hundred of thousands of people, just like the modern one, or any other living city for that matter...

I have stated that "

The View of Rome in Gladiator instea is based on the actual plans and buildings of Imperial Rome , the Coloseum is exactly reproduced .
"

Wich regards to the buildings and the views portrayed, they are perhaps rearranged to look more dynamic in the citiscape shoot , but its pretty accurate , though its depicting a Imperial Rome,


Forum Trajan right in front of the Coloseum .
The city of Rome did change along time several times and buildings were razed and rebuilt .
the buildings showed also along the procession of the movie are quite correct as well . Again are probably not in the right order/ position but the reconstruction was made clearly to impress and tall buildings were considered to create a comparative image to a modern metropolis .
Indeed the first multiple layered buildings were built in Rome and the Basilicae and other large complexes were prospiecent the forums .
Also the Cupolae that you see in the movie that resembles the SPeter is probably because the Renaissence got inspired fromthe Roman Cupolae like the Pantheon .
The Rome of HBO instead first of all starts from a totally different concept , and age , its not Imperial but republican , during that time there were not many marble buildings, but in the forums they were like so . The depiction of HBO though is way more incorrect with all that warned out look of temples and buildings like if they stood there for millennia without a cleaning .
Also they tried to work with a limited budged and not so much CGI as Ridley Scott could instead afford . All in All the HBO Rome look more like a dirty medieval village than the actual city of Rome .
Something like that was more common in unsewered and unclean cities of the middle ages rather than the etruscan times sewered Rome .

thats how coul dhave looked Rome from the Origins with a evolution animation .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YfGKs--1zo