HAN ZHI SHANG v1.03 Released!

[The Blade That Was Broken]

If you want to use our text, contact Seether. But again, it is unlikely we will approve any such request, until a formal apology has been given from the HZS team.

As to your question of fairness, the original RTW mod was made by Backbone Studio, not Pillar of Creation Studio. PCS has refused and denied to respond to us when we attempted to contact them, and until that has been resolved, no material from us is to be used.

[Seba14]

Ah ok, thanks, now I get the point of it...I also tried to contact the members who started this thread without any success...I'll try again to check directly on 1mod.org if I can get in touch with somebody regarding this issue...I find you both teams have done a great job and it's a shame to end on those last words...Last but not least, I managed to create a basic translation patch...but won't put it for DL before Seether agrees and this problem's sorted out...Thank you for your reply

[The Blade That Was Broken]

Ah ok, thanks, now I get the point of it...I also tried to contact the members who started this thread without any success...I'll try again to check directly on 1mod.org if I can get in touch with somebody regarding this issue...I find you both teams have done a great job and it's a shame to end on those last words...Last but not least, I managed to create a basic translation patch...but won't put it for DL before Seether agrees and this problem's sorted out...Thank you for your reply

You're welcome

As long as the patch does not contain material from us, you may release it. If it contains material from us, then you will have to wait for our approval. Currently PCS has not responded any PMs within the last 3 months, so it is unlikely that this problem will be sorted out soon.

[Falconwatch]

Coming from someone new to this mod, I find it extremely weird and unfair that you guys are using literally all assets
from the original three kingdom team's RTW version, all their models, art assets and such, the whole concept.

Yet you do not allow them to use your simple translations on the team's M2TW version? Seriously this doesn't make any sense...

[Seba14]

Hi there, Thebladethatwasbroken explained earlier that they took Backbone's studios work, not Pillars of Creation...in any case I've been tryin to get in touch with Rocky from PCS wihtout any success...I'll try later on the Chinese mod website and hpefully we'll get this sorted out, as it may be a misunderstanding from the beginning Also, I've done part of a brand new translation (Mainly for Shu) as events and scripts are different...anybody willing to help ?

[Falconwatch]

Ehh but Backbone studio is the same one as Pillars of Creation studio, it's just another fancy way of saying it,
柱子工作室 is their name, it can be translated to Column/Pillar/Backbone etc. It all mean the same thing.

[Seba14]

Ehh but Backbone studio is the same one as Pillars of Creation studio, it's just another fancy way of saying it,
柱子工作室 is their name, it can be translated to Column/Pillar/Backbone etc. It all mean the same thing.

Is it ? Well that's good news...let's be formal and get things done the way Rotk Team wants, main thing is to contact the PCS team, (also to get updated as to the newly released version) then we may have a chance to satisfy everybody (I understand both points, but let's not forget the Zhongguo Team has released their mod on Twcenter, which I guess is mainly western-oriented, though they really don't need this to have followers) it's all about providing everybody with the best of both worlds here, could we work together for once ?

Thebladethatwasbroken If you could confirm Pcs and BS are the same team, it would make a great difference as to the fairness question (Kongming sure would agree^^)

Definitetly this evening I'll post on 1mod.org and try to get in touch with relevant person

[The Blade That Was Broken]

Ehh but Backbone studio is the same one as Pillars of Creation studio, it's just another fancy way of saying it,
柱子工作室 is their name, it can be translated to Column/Pillar/Backbone etc. It all mean the same thing.

Backbone Studio and PCS are not the same. Many team members have left in the PCS transformation (including major team members and mod leads), and since then, we had to change contacts.

PCS has, as I stated earlier, stolen material without any apology, and actually refused to respond since 3 months we tried contact them, and that is something that cannot be ignored. We will give the team it's permission to use our material when they have apologized. Also, as I stated earlier, the new patch that is coming out will change all of the current models, art assets, therefore majority of the current will be removed.

It was stated in the contract with BBS that we were allowed to use all of their models, in exchange for credit. This contract does not apply for PCS, since the team lead and members have changed.

@Seba14: I already told you that you could ask Seether or Gigantus for permission, but it would be under certain conditions, and most likely will not be approved until this problem has been resolved. I understand that you are frustrated, but please do not use insults directed at any individual. Gigantus is a one of the head moderators here, I assure you that we know what we are doing here.

[Seba14]

Ok...almost impossible, they are just a bunch of non-pros who released the mod

Edit : by non-pros I meant non payed

[Seba14]

Hi, no insults at all, no worries, I didn't mean to offend anybody...I just saw on Pillars of Creation's page that Gigantus is mentionned as part of their team...However I couldn't find any contact as to the Hanzhishang Team...I'll drop a message to both Seether and Gigantus today to ask permission and take it from there

[Falconwatch]

Backbone and Pillar studios ARE the same, call it 柱子工作室 if you will if you don't want to be confused. The fact is both of those names mean the same thing, and they are exactly the same in Chinese. Nor has there been any transformation from BBS to PCS, 柱子 is a mod studio, it has different projects under its wings, Three Kingdom Total War for Rome and Han Zhi Shang for Medieval 2 are their two official ones. Members from the RTW team have worked on or at least helped in certain ways on the M2TW mod, such as 老新, xszyjzh and wmh1980 who is still "Team planning and co-ordinator" for the M2TW version too.

I suggest you to review your credit list as well. When you ask for permission about the mod's resources, you ask for it from the whole mod studio, not individual members or project teams, since any difference between the two is arbitrary anyway. It's like if you try to ask the Call of Warhammer mod team for their resources, you automatically ask it from SiCh studio as well, there's no difference.

Also members from the RTW did not leave modding, they are still there and will update the Rome version to the next full release at their time schedule. You're really just complicating things around here.

[Seba14]

I just left messages to the 3 concerned persons here, thanks Falconwatch for helping and Thebladethatwasbroken for taking time...we've done what we could I think to get this sorted out, now it's Rotk's team turn to show benevolence as to a possible use of PART of their text...anyway, I may release a hand-made set of files soon at least to make the game understandable

[Gigantus]

I suggest you to review your credit list as well. When you ask for permission about the mod's resources, you ask for it from the whole mod studio, not individual members or project teams, since any difference between the two is arbitrary anyway.

• The credits are exactly as requested by the mod leader, as is the logo on the splash screen, in exchange for agreed upon material from the RTW version that is being used.
• My name is in the credits of 1mod.org as I assisted the original 1mod.org team with the script and map while we were in contact.
• We never received a request from any mod\team leader of 1mod.org to use material from our RotK mod and hence the copy\paste job of our painstaking translation is particularly upsetting.
• We do uphold a modder code (use of material without permission etc) here on TWCenter which is anchored in the ToS as has been pointed out. Being an administrator of this site I do hold my team to high standards where this matter is concerned.

Kindly try to obtain information the next time, that way you avoid making baseless statements.

Ok...almost impossible, they are just a bunch of non-pros who released the mod, including Gigantus....

What exactly is a non pro? This?

[Seether]

@ Falconwatch
As you were not a part of the original discussions between Gigantus and the Backbone team, in regard to porting of the RTW mod, and have not been a part of the discussions between myself and Backbone or Pillar, what you are saying is nothing short of speculation and conjecture. Please do not try to dictate to anyone on an issue you know very little about.

@Seba14
I will be sending you a private message shortly.

[Falconwatch]

So, one must be within the RoTK mod team in order for what they're saying to be true? I'm sorry but what kind of messed up logic is this?
It doesn't take much for a third party to dig through some forum threads to find out what's really going on. What you're saying is just plain rude
and senseless. By the way, I have been following 柱子 studio's development for some years, helped out with historical resource collection too,
so I do have a fair amount of understanding about what's going on in fact.

I'm not "speculating and conjecturing" anything here, or "dictating" anyone, just pointing out some plain facts. Do you even read HanZi? If so you
should have no trouble reading their announcement here:
http://www.1mod.org/thread-3053-1-1.html

There is no difference between Backbone or Pillar, it's the exact same mod studio called 柱子, even Han Zhi Shang is based on the version 1.9 of the
RTW mod, the one which you are trying to port. So please, the next time you barge in here and randomly denying other people and calling names,
please stop since you're only damaging your team's image.

[Seether]

I see what's going on here...

Coming from someone new to this mod,

By the way, I have been following 柱子 studio's development for some years, helped out with historical resource collection too

If you're going to come here using deception to push an ulterior motive, at least be better at hiding it. You aren't the first person from 1mod to perform this little circus act, and you very well could be the same person as before. In light of this, consider discussion on this closed. No further comment from the RoTK team will be made on the matter outside of official channels between us and the designated Pillars team representative.

[The Blade That Was Broken]

So, one must be within the RoTK mod team in order for what they're saying to be true? I'm sorry but what kind of messed up logic is this?
It doesn't take much for a third party to dig through some forum threads to find out what's really going on. What you're saying is just plain rude
and senseless. By the way, I have been following 柱子 studio's development for some years, helped out with historical resource collection too,
so I do have a fair amount of understanding about what's going on in fact.

I'm not "speculating and conjecturing" anything here, or "dictating" anyone, just pointing out some plain facts. Do you even read HanZi? If so you
should have no trouble reading their announcement here:
http://www.1mod.org/thread-3053-1-1.html

There is no difference between Backbone or Pillar, it's the exact same mod studio called 柱子, even Han Zhi Shang is based on the version 1.9 of the
RTW mod, the one which you are trying to port. So please, the next time you barge in here and randomly denying other people and calling names,
please stop since you're only damaging your team's image.

And next time before you start randomly accusing people of doing things, when you haven't even read the whole conversation, think before you insult a moderator's (Gigantus) decisions, and twist up others words. I assure you that we know more than you know about this situation. If you really think you know everything about this issue, go find a solution, rather than barging meaningless and insulting words at us, and especially to a head moderator's team.

If you had read the whole conversation, you would know that nowhere have we denied to allow permission for use of our materials nor has PCS contacted us to use our material. The issue here is PCS has used our material WITHOUT PERMISSION, which is fined-lined in the TOS as ILLEGAL, and has refused to apologize.

And yes, I can read perfectly fine. I don't see anywhere in the announcement saying that NO team members have ever left. I stated specifically earlier that we have legally acquired with permission from their team, and nowhere does any contract state that you are required to hand over your own team's materials, even after insults and ignored for 3 months. If you don't like how things are, go complain to their team, and not us.

As Seether stated above, if you from 1mod, your attempt to acquire permission for your team is only damaging your own and your team's image.

...In light of this, consider discussion on this closed. No further comment from the RoTK team will be made on the matter outside of official channels between us and the designated Pillars team representative.

[Seba14]

Ok Seether, Thanks and I replied, and thanks Falconwatch for giving your point of view...Anyway, please ceasefire now, we are all grown-up persons ! Could we just come to an agreement ? Please ?

[lichaodamun]

please help me repair a error of han Zhi Shang 1.0:

I play to turn 18 is faulty on although me updated patch 1.5 kingdom

[Seba14]

please help me repair a error of han Zhi Shang 1.0:

I play to turn 18 is faulty on although me updated patch 1.5 kingdom

Which version of Hanzhishang do you have Oo?