shogun 2 moddable

**111289** · August 07, 2013, 12:14 PM

Will Rome II be moddable and will you support modding?
Yes and yes though we are working on getting the game out just now, we hope eventually it will be as moddable as Shogun 2, which remains the most moddable game we’ve ever released. There will be a modding summit (although we are very busy at the moment but Craig keeps nagging everyone about dates).

Is he serious? shogun 2, the most moddable game they've ever released. what about the amazing mods for rome 1 and medieval 2. or am I missing something recent in shogun modding?

Please can someone explain what the meaning of this is or what I'm missing. Thx in advance

**Darth_Revan** · August 07, 2013, 12:17 PM

I guess they have need heard of Third Age Total war.

I wonder why they think Shogun 2 was the most moddable game they have ever released.

**Karnil Vark Khaitan** · August 07, 2013, 12:18 PM

Sorry but have everybody forgot the limits of the old engine?

**GrudgeNL** · August 07, 2013, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by Darth_Revan

I guess they have need heard of Third Age Total war.

I wonder why they think Shogun 2 was the most moddable game they have ever released.

Moddability of a game =/= the difficulty level to mod a game

Furthermore, a quote from Jack:

Steam workshop integration, first ever set of official modding tools. Less hardcodes (no limit on number of units or factions for example), more data than ever exposed in db.

No joke, no sarcasm.

http://forums.totalwar.com/showthrea...l=1#post572246

**SamueleD** · August 07, 2013, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by 111289

Will Rome II be moddable and will you support modding?
Yes and yes though we are working on getting the game out just now, we hope eventually it will be as moddable as Shogun 2, which remains the most moddable game we’ve ever released. There will be a modding summit (although we are very busy at the moment but Craig keeps nagging everyone about dates).

Is he serious? shogun 2, the most moddable game they've ever released. what about the amazing mods for rome 1 and medieval 2. or am I missing something recent in shogun modding?

Please can someone explain what the meaning of this is or what I'm missing. Thx in advance

They have created some pretty amazing modding tools for Shogun2 and a lot can be done, the problem is: it's much more hard and complicated than modding Rome I or Med II, it takes more time and more work, work that was previously allocated to research and art for the mod, but the potential is there.

**111289** · August 07, 2013, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by SamueleD

They have created some pretty amazing modding tools for Shogun2 and a lot can be done, the problem is: it's much more hard and complicated than modding Rome I or Med II, it takes more time and more work, work that was previously allocated to research and art for the mod, but the potential is there.

yes I know. they recently released additional regions mod for shogun 2 didn't they? the problem is it is just so much harder than the less hardcoded pre warscape games that I don't get why they called it the most moddable game.

**SamueleD** · August 07, 2013, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by 111289

yes I know. they recently released additional regions mod for shogun 2 didn't they? the problem is it is just so much harder than the less hardcoded pre warscape games that I don't get why they called it the most moddable game.

It actually has less hardcodes than Rome I and Med 2, as others and Jack himself have stated, the problem is learning to use the tools. Also think of units: making a completely new unit in Rome I was hard enough, in Shogun 2 it's harder, not because of the lack of tools, but because the graphics quality is much higher and all is more complex, so it takes longer to do the same things.
Shogun 2 is a technically much more complex game than Rome I or Med 2 ever were, and so it's much harder to mod, it's the price for the graphic beauty and new game mechanics.

The warscape games aren't harder to mod because of some CA conspiracy, they are harder to mod because they are more technically complex games, but they are more moddable in the sense that potentially more can be done with them, particularly S2 with its official mod tools and steam support.

**Mary The Quene** · August 07, 2013, 12:20 PM

I think Jack meant from the warscape engine games.

**Darth_Revan** · August 07, 2013, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by Attalus Soter

I think Jack meant from the warscape engine games.

If we are just talking about the warscape engine games then he has a valid point.

**nameless** · August 07, 2013, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by 111289

Will Rome II be moddable and will you support modding?
Yes and yes though we are working on getting the game out just now, we hope eventually it will be as moddable as Shogun 2, which remains the most moddable game we’ve ever released. There will be a modding summit (although we are very busy at the moment but Craig keeps nagging everyone about dates).

Is he serious? shogun 2, the most moddable game they've ever released. what about the amazing mods for rome 1 and medieval 2. or am I missing something recent in shogun modding?

Please can someone explain what the meaning of this is or what I'm missing. Thx in advance

It is more moddable.

Go to STEAM and you'll see dozens of mods that anyone can easily download and use on the game.

As others have pointed out, the issue is that the learning curve is much higher but that doesn't mean it's less moddable.

Plus it's already been proven that you can make a brand new map. The question is who wants to put the time and effort to do it for no monetary return?

**111289** · August 07, 2013, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by nameless

It is more moddable.

Go to STEAM and you'll see dozens of mods that anyone can easily download and use on the game.

As others have pointed out, the issue is that the learning curve is much higher but that doesn't mean it's less moddable.

Plus it's already been proven that you can make a brand new map. The question is who wants to put the time and effort to do it for no monetary return?

yes but most of them are either new unit mods or custom battle maps for which they had to make a new tool. However I do not know how to it took for example the EB team to create the mod so maybe we just have to wait a while longer and they are right.

**nameless** · August 07, 2013, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by 111289

yes but most of them are either new unit mods or custom battle maps for which they had to make a new tool. However I do not know how to it took for example the EB team to create the mod so maybe we just have to wait a while longer and they are right.

One of the reasons why I stopped using mods was because it was taking way too long for the mod teams to make anything worthwhile.

I only got RTW ~2 years after it came out so by that point the mods were strong and well established.

As the new TW games started coming out a lot of the mods started falling behind because they couldn't even get RTW mods to finish and to just move on would be a waste. Hence the reason they are staying with the older games because they've been there longer and they don't want to throw all that work down the drain.

With the Steam workshop now it should be easier and we should be seeing lots of different minor mods coming out which we can bring together in the game.

**wangrin** · August 07, 2013, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by nameless

Hence the reason they are staying with the older games because they've been there longer and they don't want to throw all that work down the drain.

You're right here, when a modder had spend hundred hours on a mod, he is quite reluctant to let it unfinished and then start a new mod on a newer TW game.
At least, it's what I think and feel.

**Karnil Vark Khaitan** · August 07, 2013, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by wangrin

You're right here, when a modder had spend hundred hours on a mod, he is quite reluctant to let it unfinished and then start a new mod on a newer TW game.
At least, it's what I think and feel.

Or in some cases leave it undone.

**Airkiller52** · August 07, 2013, 12:21 PM

Yeah from whats been done you can edit the campaign map in shogun 2 and there are no longer hard coded caps on how many units to can be made. The only problem is that its much harder to mod than the older total war games. Besides I don't think they ever released official mod tools for either rome or medieval 2

**nameless** · August 07, 2013, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by 111289

Will Rome II be moddable and will you support modding?
Yes and yes though we are working on getting the game out just now, we hope eventually it will be as moddable as Shogun 2, which remains the most moddable game we’ve ever released. There will be a modding summit (although we are very busy at the moment but Craig keeps nagging everyone about dates).

Is he serious? shogun 2, the most moddable game they've ever released. what about the amazing mods for rome 1 and medieval 2. or am I missing something recent in shogun modding?

Please can someone explain what the meaning of this is or what I'm missing. Thx in advance

It is more moddable.

Go to STEAM and you'll see dozens of mods that anyone can easily download and use on the game.

As others have pointed out, the issue is that the learning curve is much higher but that doesn't mean it's less moddable.

Plus it's already been proven that you can make a brand new map. The question is who wants to put the time and effort to do it for no monetary return?

**Airkiller52** · August 07, 2013, 12:30 PM

He's not and he does have a valid point. Those games have been out for a much longer time than shogun 2 and they are they are much easier to mod but there are less hardcoded limits in the warscape games and we actually have official mod tools (something that neither Rome 1 or Medieval 2 have) and the ability to edit and create new campaign maps.

**wangrin** · August 07, 2013, 12:34 PM

S2TW is pretty moddable.
Tools such as TeD, DaVe and BoB are pretty good, but I cannot write the same about CS2 converter that I consider as a miserable failure.
It would be great if CA could provide "not broken" version of the Building_Attributes.mcr.
It would have also be kind if they did not had forgotten the tool used to create EFlines... it's a hell to create them "by hand"...and heel is probably a kind euphemism.
Having provide .max and _tech.xml files for models such as coastal_battery or more complex ship would have been a good idea too... doing so, we would know how to place guns on models.

Could be interesting if CA would be kind enough to answer to questions from modders about issue with equipment models.
CS2 converter work and create CS2 file, but it is unusable with BoB due to an issue with man_skeleton.

Sorry to be that harsh, but having hit walls several time now, it make not me particularly kind with CA here.
Problem is that I'm not the only one to have had the very same problems with CS2 converter and BoB.

**Hinkel** · August 07, 2013, 12:38 PM

Yes it is!
Basicly, you can do another Third Age mod !

BUT... using the M2TW engine.. you need 6 months for a good mod for example.. modding with shogun 2, you need 3 years or more!
Totally different engine.. and way to complex for most modding teams.

**Darth_Revan** · August 07, 2013, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Hinkel

Yes it is!
Basicly, you can do another Third Age mod !

BUT... using the M2TW engine.. you need 6 months for a good mod for example.. modding with shogun 2, you need 3 years or more!
Totally different engine.. and way to complex for most modding teams.

So....if you and the North and South team decided to make a North and South version for Fall of the Samurai, you could possibly create it..map and all?