Skirmish: Total War

**Barry Lyndon** · August 07, 2013, 09:12 AM

It bothers me that the AI in TW games tends to spam a good amount of 2/20 stack and 4/20 stack armies instead of combining them into larger, more effective fighting units. It is kind of an immersion breaker when you have to use your 20/20 army to chase down 2/20-stacks instead of having a proper, epic battle. In TW games, those (Full stack, player) vs, say, two full-stack enemy armies are far too rare. You get like one challenging battle every 20 turns. This was the case with MIITW and Empire...do you think the CA-crew is aware of this problem and do you think Rome II will be different in this respect?

**SacredPie** · August 07, 2013, 09:19 AM

Eh, you haven't really been paying too much attention have you? There will be limitations to have many armies a faction can have now to solve this problem so yes, that problem is definately fixed and all battles will be more decisive.

**GrudgeNL** · August 07, 2013, 09:19 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but CA adressed this specific issue by introducing a limit on armies on Rome 2's campaign map. The amount of armies you or the AI is allowed to maintain, depends on 'fame' ( the same fame meter as in shogun 2). Fame is increased by completing missions, capturing regions etc.

There will be relatively less but more decisive and larger battles because of the army limit.

**stradar1** · August 07, 2013, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by Barry Lyndon

It bothers me that the AI in TW games tends to spam a good amount of 2/20 stack and 4/20 stack armies instead of combining them into larger, more effective fighting units. It is kind of an immersion breaker when you have to use your 20/20 army to chase down 2/20-stacks instead of having a proper, epic battle. In TW games, those (Full stack, player) vs, say, two full-stack enemy armies are far too rare. You get like one challenging battle every 20 turns. This was the case with MIITW and Empire...do you think the CA-crew is aware of this problem and do you think Rome II will be different in this respect?

I mostly just give the AI faction unlimited amounts of gold. That always fixes the small AI armies. I understand ca should be the ones to fix this issue. But most the time we have to tweak our games to get what we want.

@GrudgeNL

I highly doubt limiting armies is the way to go to help the AI have bigger armies it is a handicap on the player to be honest and worst feature in my opinion. Now the feature where you can only recruit from the General is where it should help the AI have larger armies.

**Barry Lyndon** · August 07, 2013, 09:26 AM

From a gamespot ( ) .de preview:

But also the CAI is looking badly while building small armys instead ob combining then to bigger Armys.

**stradar1** · August 07, 2013, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by Barry Lyndon

From a gamespot ( ) .de preview:

Yeah it is something that has been the fears of many thus far. If the CAI still acts like it does in previous total wars then it will feel like a Copy of Shogun 2 with different textures.

**SacredPie** · August 07, 2013, 09:36 AM

Remeber the previews are coming from prologue gameplay, it's not ment to be as much of a challenge as the actual campaign. If you look at the panorama screenshots of the campaign map there are reasonably sized armies everywhere.

**GrudgeNL** · August 07, 2013, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by Barry Lyndon

From a gamespot ( ) .de preview:

We've only seen something from a tutorial prologue. Imagine if the AI could create full army stacks in a tutorial, while you still have a relatively medium sized army. That would be ridiculously stupid. Also, everyone has limited armies. It wouldn't be a bright idea to combine your limited amount of armies( let's say around three) into one giant army.You'd be vulnerable at every turn.

**stradar1** · August 07, 2013, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by GrudgeNL

It wouldn't be a bright idea to combine your limited amount of armies( let's say around three) into one giant army.You'd be vulnerable at every turn.

I believe that is not how the limited armies is going to work. I believe if you have a limit of 3 armies that would mean you can have 3 full stacks....... If I am wrong then this Limited army idea as I feared will suck the big one.

**SacredPie** · August 07, 2013, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by stradar1

I believe that is not how the limited armies is going to work. I believe if you have a limit of 3 armies that would mean you can have 3 full stacks....... If I am wrong then this Limited army idea as I feared will suck the big one.

The limited armies means that you can't split your forces to more than 3 different armies (for instance), it will force you (and the AI) to keep your forces gathered. It's realistic and i think it (together with LOS) is one of the best looking features of the game.

**stradar1** · August 07, 2013, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by SacredPie

The limited armies means that you can't split your forces to more than 3 different armies (for instance), it will force you (and the AI) to keep your forces gathered. It's realistic and i think it (together with LOS) is one of the best looking features of the game.

So as I said you can have up to 3 full stacks with the limit of 3 armies.......

**osros** · August 07, 2013, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by stradar1

I believe that is not how the limited armies is going to work. I believe if you have a limit of 3 armies that would mean you can have 3 full stacks....... If I am wrong then this Limited army idea as I feared will suck the big one.

In the panoramas I saw plenty of at the least 10 stack armies and some with more. The ones with say 3 looked like they already had a battle. The armies ranged from min 3 to 6 per faction if I recall. Don't think it's a real issue. Does not mean that's the max just what we saw so far. So if you can get 6 full stacks going you got quite a force I think. I ran whole campaigns with less than that.

**Piazzo Cappiaro** · August 07, 2013, 09:31 AM

..but Shogun 2 was good, where have you been?

**stradar1** · August 07, 2013, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by Piazzo Cappiaro

..but Shogun 2 was good, where have you been?

Lmao I guess you don't understand what I am saying I know shogun 2 was good I have both games FOTS. I don't want to play a copy of the same game with different textures I want a Complete Different feel and a different game/experience.

Which I am sure and hoping Rome 2 will be. But there is always fears of things falling short of their mark.

**smoke** · August 07, 2013, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by stradar1

Lmao I guess you don't understand what I am saying I know shogun 2 was good I have both games FOTS. I don't want to play a copy of the same game with different textures I want a Complete Different feel and a different game/experience.

Which I am sure and hoping Rome 2 will be. But there is always fears of things falling short of their mark.

Prepare for disappointment then. Rome 2 will most definitely will feel like Shogun deux as it uses the same engine. Which is fine by me. It thought Shogun was the best TW.

**stradar1** · August 07, 2013, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by smoke

Prepare for disappointment then. Rome 2 will most definitely will feel like Shogun deux as it uses the same engine. Which is fine by me. It thought Shogun was the best TW.

I don't think you under stand Empire, Napoleon, Shogun 2 all used the same Engine but all felt and gave different game experiences. So Rome 2 total war should follow the same suit.

Originally Posted by SacredPie

Well, yes unless they also have a limitation to the number of units you can have (which i think i heard something about but i'm not sure).

I would believe that would be for Elite units not regular units. If they make limitations to regular units I will pull my hair out and curse that game feature to death!