Campidoctor
Who makes the best Battle AI (BAI) for RomeII
The Battle AI (BAI) has always been very important in determining the quality of a game (mod). We have quite a few competent BAI modders here on the TWC forum, so my question is: Who do you think will release the best BAI within four weeks after the release of RomeII?
Options:
(1) SEGA/CA (not normally an option, but since they have Lusted on board it should be considered as a remote possibility)
(2) Germanicus
(3) Darth Vader
(x) please nominate other hardcore BAI modders ...
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Tiro
Re: Who makes the best Battle AI (BAI) for RomeII
Darth back into Modding ?
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Campidoctor
Re: Who makes the best Battle AI (BAI) for RomeII
He will be after the release of RomeII. The funny thing is that he doesn't even know it yet
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Semisalis
Re: Who makes the best Battle AI (BAI) for RomeII
Jack Lusted is not a programer...
I hope CA is doing a good job - as far as i know you cant mod the AI.. you only can change stats or?!?
Campidoctor
Re: Who makes the best Battle AI (BAI) for RomeII
Lusted programmed one of the best BAI and CAI packages for M2TW. If he is not a programmer, then he is hiding it well.
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Biarchus
Re: Who makes the best Battle AI (BAI) for RomeII
Amazing ignorance.Modders just tweak values.
Re: Who makes the best Battle AI (BAI) for RomeII
This. With the right knowhow of numbers and figures to adjust, anyone can do what Darth Vader does. People revere him as the second coming of Christ, when all I have ever been is disappointed. What he did with the Empire CAI is atrocious.Originally Posted by ashbery76
Re: Who makes the best Battle AI (BAI) for RomeII
Yep. Anyone who's got half a brain can tell that the BAI isn't actually smarter in Darth Mod, it's just been given new unit stats and formations. Eventually you're going to see the AI do the same stuff time after time no matter who 'mods' the BAI.
But I suppose the point of the thread is to say Creative Assembly are terrible people that can't code a game as well as someone with notepad++ and access to a db unpacker.
Semisalis
Re: Who makes the best Battle AI (BAI) for RomeII
So maybe he is a programer - but he doesnt work ont the AI - he works on the units - dont think he has time to work on the AI too
Re: Who makes the best Battle AI (BAI) for RomeII
and the point of this thread is...
Protector Domesticus
Re: Who makes the best Battle AI (BAI) for RomeII
Uhm, they don't actually change the AI, they just tweak some values to indirectly shape the ai (not as efficient as actually changing the AI).
You're putting too much confidence in them since they do not have the power to make major modifications of the AI.
Empire Realism
Re: Who makes the best Battle AI (BAI) for RomeII
I don't think Darth will have time to mod R2TW even if he wanted... he is busy with his own game now. Anyway, since ETW battle AI is scripted, while these scripts are not really accesible (they are in luac format) so all BAI tweaks were actually indirect, and nobody to this date was actually able to adjust real BAI scripting.
Tiro
Re: Who makes the best Battle AI (BAI) for RomeII
he actually programming a own game ? Any website or info on that term ?
EDIT: got it http://www.ultimategeneral.com/
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Re: Who makes the best Battle AI (BAI) for RomeII
No matter how I try think this, but I see no point of this thread...
CA makes AI, modders tweak it, and I don't have time-machine...
Ordinarius
Re: Who makes the best Battle AI (BAI) for RomeII
It's a thinly veiled rant thread about the 'poor AI' that no one has played against yet in an open campaign... Pretty standard fare at the mo
Campidoctor
Re: Who makes the best Battle AI (BAI) for RomeII
Is that really true? Not that i'm ignorant, but that modders only tweak values.
He will work on the area that the Project Manager (aka the Senior Producer) decides he should work on. I certainly hope SEGA/CA will utilize Lusted as a subject matter expert in the area of BAI/CAI.
The point is to generate discussion about an area of the game that is most frequently discussed on these forums.
They do in fact change the AI behaviour. It might just be a few text edits to the uninformed, but it has a major impact on gameplay.
SEGA/CA makes initial stab at BAI and CAI - modders improve it to be someting that actually makes sense.
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Re: Who makes the best Battle AI (BAI) for RomeII
Where are these AI files in luac format? I have scripted extensively for that game, wrote most of the script documentation that exists for it on this forum and have yet to see any of these. The only battle scripting I've come across is for a few historical battles, and it's in plain Lua format.
No, CA make an AI and modders make a stab at something that actually makes sense. Modders cannot change how the AI works at it's core, only certain numbers that influence it's decision making.
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Re: Who makes the best Battle AI (BAI) for RomeII
Greve Af Göteborg: not really, Modders just dont have full info about the game structures, especially where and how to edit those BAI scripts. Many file structures are closed and unacessible, like for example ships models. And while CA gave us some info about db tables, a lot of info is still missing for modders to be able to create complex things.
Protector Domesticus
Re: Who makes the best Battle AI (BAI) for RomeII
Yes, but not in the most efficient way. Problem: A child walks into a table and starts crying. How modders fix it: Move the table. How CA fix it: Tell the child to walk around the table.
Modders only interact with the environment while CA interacts with the AI directly. One is more efficient than the other.
Praepositus
Re: Who makes the best Battle AI (BAI) for RomeII
Of course it's true. If it were possible to actually modify the AI this would've been the boom of mods. The only thing possible right now is modification of stats, which is in fact indirect modification of the AI, but the way these changes affect the AI's decisions is unknown.
@CTD_or_bust It's a of the brave modders, who relying only on their wits, inspiration and passion for the game create a truly unique and fabulous gaming experience, whereas the actual creators of the game, who probably resemble Ephialtes in "300" can't do the same despite having latest tech, multi-million dollar budgets and all the tools needed for the task. Oh, and they probably talk in cinema.
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