Rome & Rome 2

[Hoplite of Ilis]

Rome was my first TW game. Do you think Rome 2 - for all its might - will have the same impact as Rome? CA seems to have put a lot of effort into re-living the glory of 2004. Only a few weeks to find out!

[nrthee2]

Yes yes yes and yes

[babydoc]

Did you forget that Rome was a hit cos of innovation, Shogun aside?
But you are right, with the budget they put into the new game they certainly seem determined to make this a hit.
The circle is complete so to speak.

[PlPs]

Rome was my second Total War game and I'm still playing Rome Total War. Rome 2 will be Legen...Wait for it...Dary

[CheesyFreak]

Rome was my second Total War game and I'm still playing Rome Total War. Rome 2 will be Legen...Wait for it...Dary

Dont jinx it , on the subject though, i expect alot of things from rome2 and it looks very well the whining on the forums just makes the little problems seem worse then they really are and probably will be changed later on (for example: the projectiles and their tracers not too long ago)

[osros]

Rome1 should not even compare to this new game. I expect all copies of Rome1 to be burnt as a offering to the gods. But seriously those items that do happen to come up short in the new game you just have to realize its a new game and not a redo of Rome1. Its new, its different, its sexy. Will it be perfect of course not but will be a hell of a lot better than Rome1 IMHO.

[Hoplite of Ilis]

Rome1 should not even compare to this new game. I expect all copies of Rome1 to be burnt as a offering to the gods. But seriously those items that do happen to come up short in the new game you just have to realize its a new game and not a redo of Rome1. Its new, its different, its sexy. Will it be perfect of course not but will be a hell of a lot better than Rome1 IMHO.

Never! Rome should be branded gold and layed inside temples!

Did you forget that Rome was a hit cos of innovation, Shogun aside?
But you are right, with the budget they put into the new game they certainly seem determined to make this a hit.
The circle is complete so to speak.

True.

[smoke]

Never! Rome should be branded gold and layed inside temples!

It's funny for a veteran of this forum. At the time a vocal minority absolutely hated everything about the game. Even long after its release. And now it's considered a classic. Makes you think about the significance of all this critique now, eh? It's 2005 all over again...

[CheesyFreak]

Funny thing is for TW-veteran and this forum the majority of the visitors here at the time absolutely hated everything about the game. Even long after its release. And now it's considered a classic. Makes you think about the significance of all this critique now, eh?

I think that when they think about rome they think about great mods like europa barbaroum or roma surrectum 2 that improved on many fronts the original game, and they remember that instead of the original rome.

Just what i think not stating its a fact.

[Hoplite of Ilis]

It's funny for a veteran of this forum. At the time a vocal minority absolutely hated everything about the game. Even long after its release. And now it's considered a classic. Makes you think about the significance of all this critique now, eh? It's 2005 all over again...

Rome came to me already released. I wasn't expecting it, and I didn't know much about historical accuracy then. But, I do remember playing Rome one night and before I knew it... it was morning! It was about then that I came across TWC - even though I joined later. For all its (many) faults - in the end - it was great.

I think that when they think about rome they think about great mods like europa barbaroum or roma surrectum 2 that improved on many fronts the original game, and they remember that instead of the original rome.

Just what i think not stating its a fact.

Mods count too, sure. They add to a game's life. But lately, I was playing unmodded Rome. Which was a fun experience. Mods tend to strecth things some times. Takes forever to play a battle and prepare for it. Not that I don't have a collection.

no, i dont think Rome2 will have same impact as Rome1 for a simple reason - Rome1 was easy to modify, which resulted in plethora of mods being created. Rome2 shares engine with ETW,NTW,S2TW which means Modders will be not able to add new models or rework game mechanics the way they were able to in Rome 1.. you wont see any mod that would completely change the theme.. Rome2 Modding will be closer to Shogun2/Napoleon/Empire..

Modding always counts for much...

[Holger Danske]

It's funny for a veteran of this forum. At the time a vocal minority absolutely hated everything about the game. Even long after its release. And now it's considered a classic. Makes you think about the significance of all this critique now, eh? It's 2005 all over again...

Oh execpt for the fact that Rome Total War could can actually be modded to a great extend. The only thing Rome II will surpase to original title in is the dreaded DLC... Enjoy paying for your game several times over just to get a few "new" factions and units.

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

Oh execpt for the fact that Rome Total War could can actually be modded to a great extend..

same can be said about shogun 2.

[smoke]

Oh execpt for the fact that Rome Total War could can actually be modded to a great extend. The only thing Rome II will surpase to original title in is the dreaded DLC... Enjoy paying for your game several times over just to get a few "new" factions and units.

To my knowledge it uses the same engine as STW2, a game that is also moddable. Seems to me modders are being a bit lazy by not learning the new engine.

[JaM]

no, i dont think Rome2 will have same impact as Rome1 for a simple reason - Rome1 was easy to modify, which resulted in plethora of mods being created. Rome2 shares engine with ETW,NTW,S2TW which means Modders will be not able to add new models or rework game mechanics the way they were able to in Rome 1.. you wont see any mod that would completely change the theme.. Rome2 Modding will be closer to Shogun2/Napoleon/Empire..

[babydoc]

no, i dont think Rome2 will have same impact as Rome1 for a simple reason - Rome1 was easy to modify, which resulted in plethora of mods being created. Rome2 shares engine with ETW,NTW,S2TW which means Modders will be not able to add new models or rework game mechanics the way they were able to in Rome 1.. you wont see any mod that would completely change the theme.. Rome2 Modding will be closer to Shogun2/Napoleon/Empire..

Sidestepping here:

Why are ETW,NTW,S2TW so hard to mod?
Where is the problem?

Is it time consuming or simply the fact that people suck?
Or is it that many features are hardcoded thus impossible to mod?

[ptoss1]

Sidestepping here:

Why are ETW,NTW,S2TW so hard to mod?
Where is the problem?

Is it time consuming or simply the fact that people suck?
Or is it that many features are hardcoded thus impossible to mod?

Everything got too complicated so the hobbyists quit and traveled to greener pastures.

[babydoc]

Everything got too complicated so the hobbyists quit and traveled to greener pastures.

Understandable, but then only the good ones stay.
It cant be that a pro programer is not interested in modding these games?!

[ptoss1]

Understandable, but then only the good ones stay.
It cant be that a pro programer is not interested in modding these games?!

The problem is that some "kits" are just by default extremely hard to work with. Starcraft 2 is a fairly new and well known game that is known for its impossible game editor and modding system. It takes hours just to make a new unit. Not even school taught programmers wtf they're doing on that program since there isn't an actual manual for it and most of the online guides are out of date.

[JaM]

Sidestepping here:

Why are ETW,NTW,S2TW so hard to mod?
Where is the problem?

Is it time consuming or simply the fact that people suck?
Or is it that many features are hardcoded thus impossible to mod?

lots of things is just locked, so we are unable to add them. for example it is not possible to add new ships, or anyhow changing their model (gun placement,sail type, etc), any complicated map changes are impossible, etc.. so unless CA changes something and start supporting the community (they improved things a bit in S2TW), you wont see any major mods for Rome 2.

[stevehoos]

Sidestepping here:

Why are ETW,NTW,S2TW so hard to mod?
Where is the problem?

Is it time consuming or simply the fact that people suck?
Or is it that many features are hardcoded thus impossible to mod?

Just this comment here leaves clues about how much some people like to talk, but yet, they know almost nothing about this series.