Dismount ability for cavalry?

[reidtard]

I've been following all the news as it comes out but I've noticed that when they are showing off battle gameplay, when cavalry is selected I don't see any 'dismount' button or ability at the bottom of the screen. am I mistakin or are they not having this feature in Rome 2?

[lacrossepl9]

It's there, if you watch the preview videos that just came out when AL is gifted the cavalry a screen pops up that talks about the uses of cavalry, pause it there and the very last point they make is that cavalry has a dismount ability and can fight on foot when needed

[reidtard]

It's there, if you watch the preview videos that just came out when AL is gifted the cavalry a screen pops up that talks about the uses of cavalry, pause it there and the very last point they make is that cavalry has a dismount ability and can fight on foot when needed

ah, I see it. thanks man

[lacrossepl9]

ah, I see it. thanks man

No problem it's good you asked cus I'm sure a lot of people are wondering the same thing and didn't pause the video every time a new pop up screen came up to read everything it said. Hopefully everyone will be able to see it now

[griff11c]

Given the fast pace of fights, I'm guessing that the choice to dismount will probably only be made once. That is, once sending dismounted troops into the fray, they're going to get too chewed up to be useful as cavalry again. I'm assuming charioteers can dismount, losing missile attack, but considering chariots usually had a driver as well, could the chariots continue to be used for charges? Like maybe dismount the warriors in front of an infantry unit engage, then have the chariots hit them from behind. Also, can the enemy kill the horses if the rider is dismounted?

[jamreal18]

I want to use cavalry in port battles also... i want them remain mounted when disembarking so they can roam around shores quickly...

[Revan The Great]

I want to use cavalry in port battles also... i want them remain mounted when disembarking so they can ram around shores quickly...

I doubt that will be possible. It's not like horses were transported in full panopoly, riders astride their backs, ready to charge down a gangplank. Plus if you look at videos with the ships, it seems that guys just jump off the sides and land on the beach, or wherever when they disembark. So it's a pretty good bet that cavalry will be dismounted when coming ashore, I think.

And to further put your fears at rest, I noticed that both the General and the Equites seemed to have a dismount option, so I think it's safe to say that all cavalry do.

I'd be interested in knowing how Chariots work. The Britons in particular used Chariots as a sort of taxi, where warriors would jump off to fight, then get picked up by their chariots when they needed to retreat or rest. I very much hope that British chariots have a 'dismount' option where warriors can jump off but the driver stays on, and can pull the chariots back or use them in other ways. Hellenic chariots, it doesn't matter as much, I'm pretty sure those guys never dismounted to fight on foot.

[lacrossepl9]

I doubt that will be possible. It's not like horses were transported in full panopoly, riders astride their backs, ready to charge down a gangplank. Plus if you look at videos with the ships, it seems that guys just jump off the sides and land on the beach, or wherever when they disembark. So it's a pretty good bet that cavalry will be dismounted when coming ashore, I think.

And to further put your fears at rest, I noticed that both the General and the Equites seemed to have a dismount option, so I think it's safe to say that all cavalry do.

I'd be interested in knowing how Chariots work. The Britons in particular used Chariots as a sort of taxi, where warriors would jump off to fight, then get picked up by their chariots when they needed to retreat or rest. I very much hope that British chariots have a 'dismount' option where warriors can jump off but the driver stays on, and can pull the chariots back or use them in other ways. Hellenic chariots, it doesn't matter as much, I'm pretty sure those guys never dismounted to fight on foot.

I didn't think of the chariots that's a cool thought I wonder how they are making those work. On the cavalry disembarking I don't know if it can be done but there's a preview article where a guy talks about landing his transport ship with his horses and they disembark only there was a bug and they rode invisible horses. So it may be that it is in-game and I'm guessing this bug will be gone on release

[jamreal18]

The reason i recruited cavalry is because i want to use their mobility. I dont want them to dismount whenever im transporting them via water... how sad is that? did CA made transport ships for the sole purpose of infantry, did they disregard cavalries and elephants?

historically, hannibal transport elephants and cavalries through water from africa to hispania.


just my opinion.

p.s.
my spirit will be crushed if i cant transport cavalry and elephants... how sad...

[jtfjtfjtf]

The reason i recruited cavalry is because i want to use their mobility. I dont want them to dismount whenever im transporting them via water... how sad is that? did CA made transport ships for the sole purpose of infantry, did they disregard cavalries and elephants?

historically, hannibal transport elephants and cavalries through water from africa to hispania.


just my opinion.

p.s.
my spirit will be crushed if i cant transport cavalry and elephants... how sad...

I think you can still transport cavalry and elephant, however if you want to do a disembarking battle only the soldiers jump out of the boats for that battle.

[Revan The Great]

Yeah, it's one thing to transport cavalry and elephants. It's another thing to pull up onto a beach and disgorge them, battle ready, into a warzone...

[jamreal18]

really? how does cavalry/elephant get out of ships? maybe, special ships for them....

[Jokern]

really? how does cavalry/elephant get out of ships? maybe, special ships for them....

Cavalry and elephants won't be able to get off ships, CA stated that only infantry can be used in a landing battle. You would have to disembark the army on the campaign map before going to battle.

[jamreal18]

What? So we can disembark cavalry and elephants first into the shore and infantry are the only ones that will be left out inside the ships? Am I right?

[jtfjtfjtf]

What? So we can disembark cavalry and elephants first into the shore and infantry are the only ones that will be left out inside the ships? Am I right?

Elephants and Horses can disembark outside of combat. So if you land on a beach and there's no enemy there your army just goes to land like the previous TW games, on the campaign strategy map. But if there's an enemy army on the beach and you have to fight a beach landing battle your cavalry guys jump off the boats and fight as a dismounted unit. Then after the battle they probably get their horses and move around like previous TW games on the campaign strategy map.

[jamreal18]

Elephants and Horses can disembark outside of combat. So if you land on a beach and there's no enemy there your army just goes to land like the previous TW games, on the campaign strategy map. But if there's an enemy army on the beach and you have to fight a beach landing battle your cavalry guys jump off the boats and fight as a dismounted unit. Then after the battle they probably get their horses and move around like previous TW games on the campaign strategy map.

Dont want them to dismount... What will they do with their horses, leave them at ships?
Why are we forced to dismount cavalry?...
What if my army composed of 8 cataphracts and 2 infantry, will they all become infantry?

[Jokern]

Dont want them to dismount...

Well.. tough luck, it's aleady decided.

[griff11c]

Dont want them to dismount... What will they do with their horses, leave them at ships?
Why are we forced to dismount cavalry?...
What if my army composed of 8 cataphracts and 2 infantry, will they all become infantry?

Yes, they'll become infantry for that battle. Assuming you win, next time they'll have their mounts because the landing will have been secured and there will be time to go through the process of offloading them. If you've ever worked with any kind of livestock, you'd realize why cavalry charging off a ship is impractical. Additionally, there would be no room for animals like horses and elephants on a trireme, so you'd need a larger cargo ship. I'm guessing that triremes had a shallow enough draft to allow them to land amphibiously the way we see them doing in Rome II. A cargo ship of the time wouldn't have a shallow draft and so would likely get stuck a fair distance away from the beach.

I get your desire to have amphibious cavalry from a game-play perspective, but this is one of those things that CA decided to make historically accurate. They can't please everyone all the time. Just wait until the game comes out, I don't think I'm even going to want to look at this forum for all the complaining for things that won't be changed.

[nomercysniper]

No idea of that last post, but only infantry (and dismounted cavalry?) will be able to engage in land/sea battless, and disembark from ships.

[jamreal18]

The reason why I hire cavalry is because i want them to use their horses in battles. I dont want them to dismount.