the one thing I am pissed about in Shogun 2 is still in Rome 2 *sad face*

[Toho]

so basically one of my qualms with shogun 2 was that when I put a unit in skirmish mode they would always run so late that the enemy unit is only 3 feet away from them.
these archers also must complete their entire animation sequence before running for it... this means that despite out of the 160 soldiers, maybe 5 or 7 soldiers are still trying to shoot and suddenly a Katana Samurai or a Yari Ashigaru catches these few individuals that causes the ENTIRE unit to turn back and start fighting.

this issue is also present in Rome 2 as we saw how Al's Cavalry despite being ordered FOUR times to retreat up the hill would continue fighting even if only 1 or 2 idiots are stuck somewhere.
this problem has been plaguing us ever since Rome and the only solution is to completely ignore the battle and order a unit (or several) repeatedly over and over in a space of god knows when until all these..... wonderful.... troops FINALLY decide to actually obey you and run where they are told.

these episodes constantly have me raging and ruin a game a because units completely ignore what I am ordering them to do because of one soldier being trapped somewhere.

/endrant

[Dan113112]

This issue was present in RTW as well.

[=Vastator=]

This issue was present in RTW as well.

So we have to keep it?

i agree, it's something that needs to be addressed. Even Al in the video was annoyed about this

[.Mitch.]

In the Warscape games, I cannot say if it is the case in the older games, but instead of manually moving them away when you want them to retreat (even if a few men are engaged) you just use the withdraw/retreat command and they will then run.

I've done this since ETW and it works a treat for me and circumvents this issue.

[xjlxking]

In the Warscape games, I cannot say if it is the case in the older games, but instead of manually moving them away when you want them to retreat (even if a few men are engaged) you just use the withdraw/retreat command and they will then run.

I've done this since ETW and it works a treat for me and circumvents this issue.

[Toho]

In the Warscape games, I cannot say if it is the case in the older games, but instead of manually moving them away when you want them to retreat (even if a few men are engaged) you just use the withdraw/retreat command and they will then run.

I've done this since ETW and it works a treat for me and circumvents this issue.

if you use withdraw then they run towards the end of the map, they don't actually run behind your own line or some place of strategic value... and what if they start running towards the enemy troops? it has happened to me before and once in withdraw mode they are much easily over run and slain.

I remember a dev, probably Jack, saying that units will carry on running without turning back if one of them gets caught. This was a while back though.

except that we have gameplay video footage showing that this is not the case.

[Jester]

i ve never trusted that feature anyway. in no TW game. i always do everything manually :3

[Dan113112]

i ve never trusted that feature anyway. in no TW game. i always do everything manually :3

I do the same thing.

[-=PHX=-Hades]

i ve never trusted that feature anyway. in no TW game. i always do everything manually :3

Same here. Although I honestly never found skirmish mode that useful anyways. However, with the new line of sight system, I have a feeling I will be using it a lot more now.

[Tolgon]

i ve never trusted that feature anyway. in no TW game. i always do everything manually :3

This is the way to go. Never had skirmish mode work the way I want.

[Anax of Rhodes]

i ve never trusted that feature anyway. in no TW game. i always do everything manually :3

Same. Cantabrian circle is all right, but whenever my ranged units skirmished, they only kept running. Maybe they're supposed to "skirmish" back behind melee units and I've simply never tried that before.

[HusKatten]

In multiplayer i actually like this 'flaw' since then players cant react in an instant if you catch them off guard. The increased response time suits situations like that well, especially since your opponent has to spam click and make sure his guys are OK, or he has to send in proper reinforcemt - both of which are penalties for the opponent.

However i agree with you that two or three units out of 160 should not be the reason for the whole unit to ignore your command. This is a problem that Ca are aware of and because of how the units are grouped as one entity, sharing morale, experience and action status - it's probably hard to fix.

But i welcome this flaw to a certain extent.

[CDR Hurricane]

I learned not to use the skirmish mode feature a long time ago. Even when they do manage to run away from the enemy, sometimes they will run the wrong direction.

As for units turning around to fight and ignoring orders, I am hoping guard mode might fix that. It is supposed to make units hold their position and formation, so they should not try to autoswarm a persuing enemy when one man trips over a stump.

[Acroneos]

Never had any problems in RTW Vanilla (only played 1.5, BI and ALX).

[CDR Hurricane]

Never had any problems in RTW Vanilla (only played 1.5, BI and ALX).

Agreed, this problem was much much more pronounced in M2TW. Entire units would get stuck shuffling around "fighting" at nothing if one man got separated from the unit and attacked, and it would often take several orders to withdraw from combat because they would autoreengage as they were disengaging.

[DogSoldierSPQR]

I remember a dev, probably Jack, saying that units will carry on running without turning back if one of them gets caught. This was a while back though.

[craziii]

real man don't use skirms.

sorry, had to do it

[DaciaJC]

Wasn't this supposed to be one of the great improvements for Rome II? That units would detach from combat much more effectively? I can't remember if it was said in an official preview or if somebody got it from a live event, but I could've sworn this exact issue was mentioned.

[BeastG33]

Skirmish mode has basically never worked. You have to micro your missile troops or they're going to end up in melee 9/10 times.

[Mamertine]

Skirmish mode has basically never worked. You have to micro your missile troops or they're going to end up in melee 9/10 times.

And the other 1/10 they would turn around, aim, and before they got the throw off start running again because the enemy was too close. Auto skirmish never did work.