Debating Day 1 Purchase (Modability).

[Septimus]

Hey,

I'm currently debating whether to buy Rome 2 on release or not, and I have questions regarding when can or can't be modded, given previous TW modding experience (especially Shogun 2).
My pet peeves are currently about

- Unit coloring, aka all athenian units are white and all macedonians are purple, etc. This should be easily moddable, right?
- Unit naming. Again, I assume it should be easy to just change some names around ( aka Shield Bearer to Hyspaspist )?
- Arrow trails.
- Battle length ( would want longer battles ). I know this should be hard to mod, but could this be done eventually?

Could anyone answer this? I know no one can be 100% sure since the game isn't out yet, but given Shogun 2's modding history, would these be possible?

Thank you and sorry if this is in the wrong forum/topic already exists.

[gaunty14]

You know you could play the game without mods for a little while

I imagine they could all be changed, arrow trails are probably similar to musket/cannon trails, and I've seen plenty of faction recolours in ETW/NTW and STW2. Battle length not sure but CA allow battles to last one hour don't they..isn't that enough?

[Ushoron]

Shogun 2 started out will little modability and locked files if i remember correctly. However twords the end of the release cycle for the game they released a ton of modding tools and added new features and steam workshop compatibility. While as far as I know there is no solid evidence to say one way or another I would bet that Rome 2 will be very modable for CA is holding another modder summit sometime soon and their recent support for shogun 2. CA's recent actions show that they are all for modding. If you buy day 1 I dont think mods will be released within 24 hours so I would debate your purchase over what the product itself offers you as far as greek culture pack, and the game itself goes.

[Radious]

I think it wil lbe moddable on the same level as SHogun 2, but first few days/weeks we will have to wait till tools makers will update/create new PFM/etc similiar programs with which we will be able to open game files and start doing our magic. Hopefully CA wont block/pack files in too complicated way so we will be able to touch them very soon. Official modding tools i would not expect first year after release.

[Markas]

I usually buy about 3 months+ after release but after Shogun 2 I may even consider pre-ordering. Best to wait for a few more let's plays though.

[Rhaegar1]

I think buying it on release day is quit stupid, you'd better preorder it and get the greek dlc for free, wait a few days to see how the community and reviews score the game or wait a few months on sales, patches and mods.

buying it on day one is just losing the greek factions for nothing.

[jsully16]

"Click all my attack orders."

"Wait 5 minutes while looking at a blob of soldiers."

"Hope that my guys win."

"My guys win."

Well that was fun. Those historical accuracy nuts on TWC definitely know how to make fun mods, that must be why they act like they're better than CA employees.

[shadowflare1995]

"Click all my attack orders."

"Wait 5 minutes while looking at a blob of soldiers."

"Hope that my guys win."

"My guys win."

Well that was fun. Those historical accuracy nuts on TWC definitely know how to make fun mods, that must be why they act like they're better than CA employees.

Just summarized my experience with all overhaul mods.

[jsully16]

Just summarized my experience with all overhaul mods.

That's how it was for me, too. Roma Surrectum, EB, and others like it. I respect the amount of time they put in to the detail and I can see why people who are huge fans of this period in history treat these mods like their wet dreams.

But in my opinion, they just aren't fun to play.

[CnConrad]

"Click all my attack orders."

"Wait 5 minutes while looking at a blob of soldiers."

"Hope that my guys win."

"My guys win."

Well that was fun. Those historical accuracy nuts on TWC definitely know how to make fun mods, that must be why they act like they're better than CA employees.

That made me chuckle...

I still prefer darthmod to vanilla though.

[Aanker]

Given the vast array of variant models (and thereby model combination possibilities) in the game you might see some pretty interesting modifications. I would also believe that the game stays true to the PFM system.

Some developers have mentioned modding in passing comments during interviews and (I believe) even some of CA's own released development videos. This might indicate that they do have an interest in keeping the game modable.

However, given the increased complexity of games these days and Total War amongst them, I think it would be very optimistic to foresee many major total overhauls of the game. For Empire, Napoleon and Shogun 2 combined, I think we could count the number of total overhauls on the fingers of one hand. That said, as long as there are developers with enough drive, experience and skill, there could very well be teams assembled to make mods which would very well suit the game.

Campaign map edits are still tricky to my knowledge.

[craziii]

if you are gonna do day one purchase, it makes 100% sense to pre order n get the 2 dlcs for free.

full blown mods won't be coming out for a long time as they take alot of time to make. small tweaks can be found in the modding section of the forums even on day 1

[Toho]

I find it ironic that it is usually the noobs with zero modding background that complain about modability.

[DavidtheDuke]

I find it ironic that it is usually the noobs with zero modding background that complain about modability.

Because we love the mods that come out are pretty awesome

Like Call of Warhammer, makes me want a proper Warhammer fantasy game now.

[craziii]

Because we love the mods that come out are pretty awesome

Like Call of Warhammer, makes me want a proper Warhammer fantasy game now.

ca got the rights it is coming! for the waaaarrrggghhhhhh!!!!

[Sun Jetzu]

I find it ironic that it is usually the noobs with zero modding background that complain about modability.

I have Zero Modding background but griping about modding makes me a noob? I dont see the logic. We all want diffferent things in the game that modding will give us, despite the fact if we know how to mod or not.

[Toho]

I have Zero Modding background but griping about modding makes me a noob? I dont see the logic. We all want diffferent things in the game that modding will give us, despite the fact if we know how to mod or not.

how can you have grips with modding when you dont even mod?

its like me, as a Canadian complaining to the American government of their voting regulations
it makes no sense, I would be more interested in hearing modders of the Warscape engine than you or other noobs who have absolutely no clue of what they are talking about.

[Sun Jetzu]

how can you have grips with modding when you dont even mod?

its like me, as a Canadian complaining to the American government of their voting regulations
it makes no sense, I would be more interested in hearing modders of the Warscape engine than you or other noobs who have absolutely no clue of what they are talking about.

If noone griped about anything, then there would be no capitalism. Noone would care to make their product better if there were no complaints.
In short, if gripes about modding, maybe a modder will see these gripes and take them into consideration for future mods.

[Toho]

If noone griped about anything, then there would be no capitalism.

lol what?
do you even know what capitalism and the free market is?

Noone would care to make their product better if there were no complaints.

interesting so what do you suggest? as a person who has never modded anything nor does he have any background whatsoever in this field (programming, modelling and etc) to know what he is actually talking about to tell people who actually KNOW their stuff what to do... I dont know if this is the height of arrogance or ignorance.

In short, if gripes about modding, maybe a modder will see these gripes and take them into consideration for future mods.

this makes no sense, a modder does not need you to tell him what he needs or what he does not need.
do you just pop in an operation room in the middle of a surgery and tell the surgeon and his staff how to best save the patients life? no. you do not unless you yourself have a background in medicine and healthcare to that level.

[shadowflare1995]

how can you have grips with modding when you dont even mod?

its like me, as a Canadian complaining to the American government of their voting regulations
it makes no sense, I would be more interested in hearing modders of the Warscape engine than you or other noobs who have absolutely no clue of what they are talking about.

Someone without modding background can gripe about it. I don't have to mod to say that the mod isn't great. Just like I don't have to be a 5 star chef to know that a meal is bad. If I see something as bad, then why should I be questioned? It's my opinion. I don't care for the opinion of many people on this forum thinking modders are the gods of Total War. But I don't speak against it, because it's their opinion.

PS: I can do simple scripting, and I do mod Rome: Total War on a very basic level.