Nice work mate hopefully work will encourage more people to mod shogun 2Also are you planning on modding Rome 2 once it is out ?
Miles
Re: Imjin mod (Korea campaign)
Nice work mate hopefully work will encourage more people to mod shogun 2
"Nothing is True Everything is permitted"
Civis
Re: Imjin mod (Korea campaign)
Normally I would love to help with all the historical research, but unfortunately I don't have time for anything like this at the moment.
But I had a quick look at some books and below are a few interesting pics. (Haven't checked all my books yet, just quickly looked at ships, siege weapons and maps mostly.)
Relevant books I have:
Japanese castles in Korea 1592-1598
The Samurai Invasion of Korea 1592-1598
Fighting Ships of the Far East (2): Japan and Korea AD 612-1639
Siege Weapons of the Far East (2): AD 960-1644
Samurai Invasion: Japan's Korean War 1592-1598
Other books that might have some interesting information:
Fighting Ships of the Far East (1): China and Southeast Asia 202 BC - AD 1419
Siege Weapons of the Far East (1): AD 612-1300
Toyotomi Hideyoshi
I also have several plans from specific battles, which might be useful if you're also thinking of making historical battles.
Anyway here are some pictures:
Maps
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Ships
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Siege weapons
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Other
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Centenarius
Re: Imjin mod (Korea campaign)
well played guys! hopefully for FOS version too?
Civis
Re: Imjin mod (Korea campaign)
I took the time to copy over some information about the Korean army, which gives some basic information about the armour and weapons they used. Merged the text from two books and divided the text into seperate quotes for easier reading. Also added some pictures below some quotes with relevant pictures for the text above it.
(Text comes from "The Samurai Invasion of Korea 1592-1598" and "Samurai Invasion: Japan's Korean War 1592-1598", both written by Stephen Turnbull.)
About the Korean army in general:
About the armour used by the Koreans:In contrast to Japan, the senior officers of the Korean army tended to be social aristocrats rather than military ones. Several good generals were produced by the system, but there were many bad ones too. The Korean army therefore tended to be loosely organized and quite haphazard. The practice of sending generals from Seoul to command local troops was also a major weakness, while the garrison soldiers were almost totally untrained, disorganized and ill disciplined.
Unfortunately for Korea, this point was either not picked up or not acted upon and, looking back during the period of truce after a much bigger disaster had overtaken his country in 1592, Yu Sŏng-nyong summed up his views of the state of the Korean army as follows:
Basically, they do not know anything about fighting, and they have no units such as platoons, squads, banners or companies to which they are attached. They are in confusion and without order, make a big racket and run around in chaos, not knowing what to do with their hands, feet, ears or eyes. And then all of a sudden these men are placed in the midst of arrows and stones where they have to fight to the death ..."
'If it is like this in peacetime,' he asked after quoting a similar comment from his colleague Cho Hon, who had observed better practices in China, 'what could we do during wartime?'
The Korean army was therefore very primitive by Japanese standards, and this was further reflected in its equipment. Korea's close proximity to China ensured that the evolution of Korean armour followed that of China rather than Japan. The basic design of a suit of Korean armour consisted of a three-quarter-length heavy coat worn over an inner garment that resembled a divided apron, with trousers and leather boots. By the Koryŏ Period lamellar armour had been introduced, the lamellae being added either to the outside of the coat or inside it, or stitched inside the lining. The final version was the studded coat, whereby the heads of rivets, which held in place small plates inside the armour, protruded from its outside surface to give an appearance very similar to brigandine. Officers would also sport a bright coloured sash or belt over coats of red or blue, but the usual appearance for most wearers was of dull brown fabric of cotton or hemp.
The Korean helmet consisted of a simple rounded conical bowl made from four main pieces riveted together and secured round the brow. A neckguard of lamellae or brigandine was suspended from it in three sections, and decoration in the form of feathers could be flown from the helmet point. Officers' helmets could be lacquered black and ornamented with gold and fur.
Korean foot soldiers wore no armour at all, just their traditional white clothes with a sleeveless black jacket and a belt. A stiffened felt hat gave some small protection in battle.Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
About the weapons used by Korean soldiers:
About firearms used by the Korean army:Early Korean swords were two-edged, straight-bladed weapons, a design that remained popular, although curved swords like Japanese katana were also made, and actual Japanese models were imported.
By contrast, Korean polearms show considerable Chinese influence. Their use was most prized from the back of a horse, so we see cavalrymen armed with tridents, long straight spears and glaives with heavy curved blades much wider than a Japanese naginata. Unique to Korea, however, was the flail, a rounded hardwood stick, painted red and 1.5m long, to which was attached a shorter and heavier mace-like shaft studded with iron nails or knobs. A short length of chain provided the attachment. The flail was highly regarded, and successful candidates for the military examinations had to gallop along a trench and knock over a certain number of artificial heads. Foot soldiers were armed with all the above varieties of polearm except the flail.
Prowess at archery was greatly valued, and the famous admiral Yi Sunsin was an accomplished archer. The ordinary Korean bow was a composite reflex bow, made from mulberry wood, bamboo, water buffalo horn and cow sinew spliced together. It had a pronounced negative curve, against which the bow had to be pulled in order to string it. A Japanese source from the time of the 1592 invasion claims that Korean bows were the one thing in which the Koreans were superior to the Japanese, because their range was 450m against the Japanese longbow's range of 300m. However, by this time the Japanese bow had largely been abandoned in favour of the harquebus. Arrows were made of bamboo, but not lacquered after the Japanese fashion. Simple leather quivers were used.
At the time of the Japanese invasions the most marked deficiency in weaponry between Korea and Japan lay in the field of personal firearms. Korea had adopted the Chinese-style handgun a century and a half before it was introduced to Japan, and had developed it into the Korean sŭngja (victory gun), a form of simple musket that took the clumsy weapon to its modest peak of perfection.
However, the quality and number of Korean cannon provided a direct contrast to the situation that existed with firearms. The heavy cannon used on board Korean ships from the early 15th century onwards had no equivalent in Japan. They could shoot cannon balls of iron or polished stone, but the favourite missile was the wooden arrow, winged with leather and tipped with iron, which caused immense destruction when it struck the planking of a Japanese vessel. Fire arrows loosed from ordinary bows were also important, and some of the larger cannon-based arrows could be converted into fire arrows.
Korea also developed certain specialized weapons of its own. One of the most interesting and effective of these was the mortar, used for firing stones, balls or bombs. The bombs used a clever double-fuse system, a fast burning fuse for the mortar, and a slower one for the bomb itself. The operator would light both fuses simultaneously. For mobility the mortars, which came in three basic sizes, were mounted on wooden carriages.
The other innovative Korean weapon was the curious armoured artillery vehicle called a hwacha (fire wagon), which fired a volley of rockets.Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
About the Korean navy:
Korea's greatest strength lay with its navy. The standard fighting ship the panokseon may not have been much better that the equivalent Japanese vessel, but had a vast superiority in firepower from cannon. The famous turtle ship became the pride of the fleet, although their numbers seem to have been small during the Japanese campaign. There is no space here to describe the turtle ship in detail, as I did in New Vanguard 63: Fighting Ships of the Far East Volume 2 (Osprey Publishing Ltd: Oxford, 2003), but it is important to note that the actual design of the turtle ship is still controversial. Until recently it was assumed that it was much longer than it was wide. This is how it is commonly represented, but it is now believed that it may have been almost literally turtle shaped to account for its manoeuverability. Arguments have been put forward to claim that it must have been three-decked, not two-decked, so that artillerymen on the upper deck did not interfere with the oarsmen on the lower deck.
Civis
Re: Imjin mod (Korea campaign)
Some more pictures, relating to my post above. Unfortunately I can't edit my posts yet, otherwise I would just have updated it.
Pictures are from "The Samurai Invasion of Korea 1592-1598" and "Siege Weapons of the Far East (2): AD 960-1644".
Soldiers
Korean cavalry exercising with halberds, from an illustrated scroll in the War Memorial Museum, Seoul.
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A very good fibreglass replica of an ordinary Korean soldier at the Nagan Village Folk Museum near Sunch’ŏn. Unlike the Japanese foot soldiers Koreans wore no armour.
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Siege weapons
The use of 'kikkosha', the Japanese version of the Chinese 'wooden donkey' at the siege of Chinju in 1593. The illustration shows clearly how stones have been levered out from the wall, causing a collapse.
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The details of the construction of the Korean version of the thunder crash bomb as shown by a drawing in Yungwon p'ilbi. This is quite a sophisticated weapon made from two cast iron hemispheres with a fuse wrapped round a cylindrical core.
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The basic design of a rocket arrow as used both in Ming China and Choson Korea.
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One of the Chinese defensive siege weapons used during the second siege of Chinju was this board studded with iron spikes.
When dropped from a windlass it would clear the wall of scaling ladders. This full-sized reproduction hangs from the city wall of Pingyao in Shanxi Province.
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A Chinese battering ram in action at the siege of the Japanese fort of Sach'on in Korea in 1598. This is a remarkable combination of modern technology, the cannon, being combined with a very ancient Chinese siege machine.
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The 'crouching tiger cannon' of the Ming dynasty, which saw long service and was adopted by Korea, who used it against Japan during the war of 1592-98.
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Full colour plates
The story told with these colour plates might not always be relevant, but they're interesting in my opinion. They are historically accurate and clearly show types of armours/weapons/ships, often better than illustrations from around that time period.
P.S.: This first image is actually from a siege in 1126, but the 'wolf's tooth striking board' and the 'cloud ladder' were both used during the Korean war.
Cloud ladder against anti-personnel weapons at Kaifeng, China, 1126
We return to the epic siege of Kaifeng by the Jin in 1126 for this plate, which shows a cutaway view of the most developed form of cloud ladder. Underneath the ladder itself is a compartment filled with Jin crossbowmen. While they provide cover, the hinged upper ladder disgorges assault troops on to the walls of Kaifeng, where they are met by various anti-personnel weapons. A wolf's tooth striking board crashes down upon them, and a brave defender risks the arrows to swing a thunderstick, effectively a giant mace, at the attackers. The insert panels show the sequence of operation of a cloud ladder. It is first pushed forward in the closed position, then two men lift the end of the hinged ladder section up to the point where the ropes can take over. These ropes are pulled and, if the estimate of distance is correct, the hooks on the cloud ladder will engage precisely with the parapet of the wall.
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P.S.: This second image is also from the same siege as above in 1126, but at the top you can see the Chinese version of the "Kikkosha". Although I doubt something like this can be recreated in Total War... The listening device shown in the middle is also very widely used during medieval times around the world, either like a drum as depicted or a pot filled with water. But again, it's probably not possible to recreate this in TW.
Mining and countermining machinery at Kaifeng, China, 1126
In the upper section of this plate, the Jin siege of Kaifeng in 1126 is helped along by mining. A heavy wooden head cart or 'wooden donkey' has been pushed up against the wall of Kaifeng to cover the entrance to the mine, but the attackers are by no means just passive victims of stones and rocks from the wall, and are firing back with a crossbow and hurling grenades. Concealed safely within the head cart, a soldier hauls on the winch that slowly pulls towards the walls the other cart in which waste soil has been taken back to the Jin lines. Meanwhile, in the lower section, we see the Song using very ancient countermining measures and equipment. These include a listening device made from skin stretches over a drum. The final vignette shows what happens when an enemy is located. The defenders blow poisonous smoke down the passage towards the attackers.
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The Japanese capture the fortress of Pusan from the Koreans under Chŏng Pal: 1592
The harbour fortress of Pusan was part of the city wall, and was the first place to be attacked following the Japanese landing.
In this plate we are looking from just inside the main gate as the first Japanese assault breaks in. The fortified gateway is built in typical Korean style, derived from contemporary China, whereby the actual entrance is a dark tunnel with a heavy gate through a stone and brick wall. On top of the gateway is an ornate gatehouse pavilion. Instead of fighting their way in through the gate the Japanese have however surmounted the wall using scaling ladders under the cover provided by hundreds of harquebus troops firing volleys of bullets. The Japanese assault parties are in small groups. In the background a Korean unit lead a counterattack up the stone steps to the gatehouse.
The troops are led by Sō Yoshitomo, daimyō of Tsushima. Yoshitomo whose family had ancient connections with Korea played a prominent role in the negotiations and planning prior to the invasion and is suitably dressed for the leader of the first attack. Over his bullet-proof armour he wears a jinbaori (surcoat), and from his back there flies a flag bearing his mon (badge), which is identical to that used by his commanderin-chief Toyotomi Hideyoshi. Similar flags are worn by his samurai on the backs of their armour. The ashigaru (footsoldiers) have the badge on their simple helmets. They also wear plain suits of armour over short-sleeved shirts to help them in the summer heat. The Japanese protective costume is however very sophisticated when compared with the almost total lack of protection provided for the Korean foot soldiers. Their stiffened felt hats are the only defence they have against the Japanese swords. Otherwise they are dressed in plain cloth jackets and trousers.
The only proper Korean armour is seen on the Korean officers, who wear heavy coats inside of which are leather plates, reinforced here and there with metal studs. Like their iron helmets these armours are very Chinese in appearance. The fierce resistance is under the leadership of Chŏng Pal, commander of Pusan, who is dressed in his distinctive black armour and is fighting under his personal standard carried by a foot soldier. Even this attendant to the general is very lightly armed. The plate is based on an oil painting hanging in the museum of the Ch’ungyŏlsa Shrine in Tongnae, where the defenders of Pusan are commemorated.
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Kwŏn Yul defends Haengju against the Japanese attack 1593
Haengju was a small sansŏng (mountain fortress) to the north of Seoul and was the site of one of the most important Korean victories during the invasion. As the Japanese retreated towards Seoul after the fall of P’yŏngyang Korea’s ablest general, Kwŏn Yul, reinforced Haengju and waited to join the Chinese advance on the capital. However, because the battle of Pyŏkjeyek had stalled the Chinese advance the Japanese were newly confident. Seeing this mountain fortress in their way, Haengju came under attack from Ukita Hideie.
In this plate we see the desperate defence of Haengju, which shows good use of the mountain location and the deployment of Korean military skills at their finest. To the rear General Kwŏn Yul directs the operations from on horseback accompanied by his standard-bearer. The brunt of the attack is being borne at the edge of the plateau, which has been cleared to provide a clear field of fire and reinforced with stakes and a stone wall. Rocks are thrown down onto the advancing Japanese, the stone missiles being brought to the defenders by women carrying the projectiles in their aprons, a famous feature of the legendary defence.
Good use is also made of the hwach’a, the dramatic rocket-firing carts. Timing was of course crucial, and the defenders of Haengju have clearly waited until a sizeable group of Japanese are in close range. As the assault party, flying from their armour blue flags bearing the mon (badge) of Ukita Hideie, reach the wall the hwach’a is fired with a deafening roar, and the rockets tipped with arrowheads fly down into the midst of the Japanese. The Korean standing next to the cart covers his ears. A further supply of rockets is cautiously brought up, and in the middle of the picture we see a hwach’a being reloaded from a fresh salvo.
Otherwise the Koreans use harquebuses, bows and arrows, swords and tridents. The successful defence of Haengju effectively neutralized the new wave of optimism that the Japanese had after Pyŏkjeyek, and it was not long before Seoul was evacuated for good. The plate is based on an oil painting in the Memorial Shrine to Kwŏn Yul and the defenders of Haengju that has been erected on the summit of the mountain overlooking the Han River to the north of Seoul.
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The death of admiral Yi at the naval battle of Noryang
The battle of Noryang, fought in the straits that divide Namhae Island from the mainland, was the last battle of the Japanese invasion where the Korean navy gained a considerable victory over the Japanese fleet that was trying to escape. Tragically, at the height of the battle Admiral Yi Sunsin, Korea’s greatest hero and the architect of so many naval victories, was hit by a bullet, and died on in the command tower of his ship as news was brought to him of his victory.
To the rear of the plate the sea battle is at its height. As the Japanese army is evacuating Korea every ship has been pressed into action, even the lightly armed kobaya warship from which harquebuses are being discharged against the Korean fleet.
One of the famous Korean ‘secret weapon’ turtle ships is shown firing a cannon. This is based on a reconstruction in the National War Museum in Seoul, which is now accepted as the most likely appearance of the legendary ship, even though there is still some controversy over whether or not the gun crews shared the same deck as the oarsmen. The metal spikes on the upper deck discourage boarding.
Admiral Yi is not on board a turtle ship but commands from an open-decked p’anoksŏn. This has proved to be his undoing, because a Japanese bullet has hit him. Dropping his baton of command Yi falls. His shocked followers will conceal his body so that morale does not collapse. Yi is wearing a very fine general’s armour of gold-plated metal scales over a heavy armoured coat. Beneath the armour is a heavy blue brocade robe. All around him the fighting goes on. A drummer stirs the fighting spirit. Korean archers shelter behind tall wooden shields or the gunwales of the ship and keep up an arrow barrage against the Japanese. A bigger punch is packed by the iron cannon, which is lashed using rope to a wheeled gun carriage and is about to be discharged against the nearest Japanese ship.
The plate is based on drawings of the appearance of various Korean ships and an oil painting in the Memorial Shrine to Admiral Yi on the island of Hansando.
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Miles
Re: Imjin mod (Korea campaign)
Great news and very nice work with the map. I hope you will be able to make it, and not only the South of Korea.
Also, compared with Japan's territories, the way you depict Korea, it gonna have less territories to conquer?
I've made some times ago a thread about Japanese siege weapons and castles. They shared some similar weapons with the Korean.
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Also, siege warfare ingame is quite different from real Japanese or Korean siege warfare. It may be true that most siege in medieval Japan were fast and depicted like ingame, some were really fierce siege like we had in Europe with the use of siege weapons. This aspect lacks greatly ingame, as siege battles are just land battles with walls... Yes, Japanese often climbed the walls to overrun quickly the enemy defences, but we have to be honest, not when the castle was well defended and ready for a long siege.
Anyway, here the cheonbochong. It was a wall matchlock, longer than a matchlock and it could shot at longer ranges. The matchlock wall gun was used as an anti-personnel weapon. It was used with a support, such as loopholes in the walls.
Ordinarius
Re: Imjin mod (Korea campaign)
you are basing this on your well made expanded map don't you?
i'm really looking forward to this
Protector Domesticus
Re: Imjin mod (Korea campaign)
I decided to play around with the unit edit and was able to make a unit that looked like the unarmoured Korean soldiers mainly using monk body parts. This unit has a sword because all units in the unit maker have a sword.
Unsure what to do for an officer. I may try colouring this unit red and yellow to make it look like an official.
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Also I'm trying to make a basic roster, would this be an accurate representation of the Korean army (the names are descriptive, rather than accurate)? I'm assuming that it's possible to add new weapons such as the flail and trident.
Korean Bodyguard: elite horse archer + halberd (heavy armour)
Korean Horse Archers: horse archer + spear (no armour)
Korean Lancers: horse archer + trident (no armour)
Korean Heavy Halberdiers: horse archer + halberd (heavy armour)
Korean Heavy Flailmen: horse archer + flail (heavy armour)
Korean Spearmen: unarmoured + spear
Korean Tridentmen: unarmoured + trident
Korean Halberdiers: unarmoured + moonspear/polearm/naginata
Korean Archers: unarmoured archer + sword
Korean Hand Gunners: unarmoured arquebusier + sword
Korean mangonellers: unarmoured + sword (mangonel is a vanilla weapon)
Korean cannoneers: unarmoured + sword (cannon is a vanillaweapon)
Last edited by uanime5; August 26, 2013 at 08:00 PM.
Morning Sun (adds Korea and China to the Shogun 2 map)
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forum...28-Morning-Sun
Expanded Japan mod (97 new regions and 101 new factions)
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...ew-factions%29
How to split a region in TWS2
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...split-a-region
Eras Total Conquest 2.3 (12 campaigns from 970-1547)
Re: Imjin mod (Korea campaign)
Hmm...Basic Korean Land Roster...
=Light Infantry=
Overall Attire(Uniform, Headband, Shoes) can be from retextured existing models
Uniform Model Needed: Beonggeoji Hat, Gat Meshed Hat
Korean Levy - Peasantry
Korean Trident Infantry - Basic Polearm Infantry
Korean Archer - Need Recurved Composite Bow model, better Bows than the Japanese
Korean Sword Infantry - use ninja back-sheathing, swords resembles Japanese Katana.
Korean Guerillas - role like the Hattori bandits and Mori Wako
Warrior Monk Archers - Need Recurved Composite Bow Model, superior range to Japanese Yumi
Warrior Monk Spears
Warrior Monk Swords
=Gunpowder Infantry= Korean Handheld Firearms are less developed compared to Japan
Korean Handgunners - Use Hand Mortar model for Handgun
Korean Matchlock Musketeers - Late Tech Unit comparable to Teppo Ashigaru
=Heavy Infantry=
Need Brigandine Armor Model
There are some Japanese Kabuto, If retextured, shall Suffice.
Pudao Infantry - Shares unit with The Ming. Need Pudao Model
=Cavalry= Korean Mainland Horses are somewhat superior to Japanese Insular Breeds
Need Brigandine Armor Model
Korean Horse Archers - Need Recurved Composite Bow Model
Korean Lancers - Charge Cavalry
Korean Flail/Sword Cavalry - Melee Cavalry
=Artillery= - Korean Artillery are far advanced compared to The Japanese
Fire Bomb Slingers
Wangu Mortar - ETW Mortar model shall suffice.
Hwacha Rocket Launcher - Need Wheelbarrow MLRS Model. Use Gatling/Puckle Gun Fire animations?(Need Testing - must able to launch up to 100 rockets in quick sucession)
Crouching Tiger Light Gun - Shares unit with China.
Chija Earth Class Medium Cannon - Need Four Wheel carriaged Cannon Model
Chonja Heaven Class Heavy Cannon - Need Four-Wheel carriaged Cannon Model -Model shared with Chinese Great General Class Heavy Cannon
=>Ming China Unit
=Light Infantry=
Most Attire can use existing uniform model.
Model Needed: Trousers with Shoes. Wide-brimmed hat(don't know the name), Dao Sabres
Qiang Spearmen - Basic Spear Infantry
Chinese Composite Bowmen - Need Recurved Composite Bow Model.
Chinese Crossbowmen - Need Crossbow Model. Use Breechloader Rifle animation?
Chinese Dao Swordsmen - Need Dao Sabres
Chinese Matchlock Musketeers
=Medium Infantry=
Need Partial Lamellar Armor Model and Simple Helmets
Chinese Ji Halberdiers - Need Halberd Model
Chinese Assault Crossbow Infantry - Dual-Purpose Infantry. Need Crossbow Model and Dao Sabres
Zhanmadao Infantry - Two Handed Swordsmen. Genpei Attendants swords shall suffice.
Chinese Assault Handgunners
Chinese Fire Lancers - Spearmen with Close-Range One Shot Flamethrower
=Heavy Infanty=
Pudao Infantry - need Full Lamellar Armor and Pudao model.
Heavy Dao Infantry - Need Hexagonal Tiger Shield/Round Buckler with Dao sabres.
=Cavalry= - China can recruit superb riders from her Northern Provinces, or Hire Mongolians and Manchurians
-Ming Cavalry - Basic Chinese Cavalry
-Steppe Horse Archers - Need Recurved Composite Bow Model
-Steppe Sabre Riders
-Mongolian Lancers
=Artillery=
Fire Bomb Slingers
Mortars
Chinese Flamethrower - Use Gatling Gun animation to stream fiery projectiles
Crouching Tiger Light Gun
Folang Zhi Breechloader Cannon
Great General Heavy Cannon
Poisonous Smoke Bomb Trebuchet?
Last edited by weirdoascensor; August 27, 2013 at 01:41 AM.
Protector Domesticus
Re: Imjin mod (Korea campaign)
Thanks for the list of units, thought I would like to know which units I should use as the bodyguard and some more information about the weapons (each unit can have a maximum of 2 weapons). While it should be possible to make the infantry and cavalry units the new siege weapons will be more difficult.
Can you also upload some images of the light, medium, and heavy Ming and Mongol units. While I plan to focus mainly on the Korean army if other people wish to makes these units I will add them.
Last edited by uanime5; August 27, 2013 at 11:27 AM.
Morning Sun (adds Korea and China to the Shogun 2 map)
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forum...28-Morning-Sun
Expanded Japan mod (97 new regions and 101 new factions)
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...ew-factions%29
How to split a region in TWS2
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...split-a-region
Eras Total Conquest 2.3 (12 campaigns from 970-1547)
Re: Imjin mod (Korea campaign)
I don't know about making the new weapon and armor models, but everything else about the units seems like cake... yum...
P.S. I only use PFM now that my desktop computer has mysteriously exploded in a fireball of death (blue screen). I don't know if that's gonna make a difference with the amount of help I can provide.
EYE-PATCH FETISH
Re: Imjin mod (Korea campaign)
http://www.topicsinkoreanhistory.com...5.54.15-PM.png
Oh I think there are some armor parts, for the kote shoulder guard that looks kinda like this scale armor.
Question, where can you get a pointy enough hat. Kato Kiyomasa's and Maeda's are too tall lol, mawaru kabuto like those seen on General's bodyguard perhaps?
(Its clickable by the way....An S2 overhaul mod.)
Seriously. Click it. Its the only overhaul mod that's overhauling enough to bring out NEW clans
Masaie. Retainer of Akaie|AntonIII
Civis
Re: Imjin mod (Korea campaign)
Some artworks on the Ming Chinese Heavy Infantry's Armours and Uniforms(these are not drawn by me)
Civis
Re: Imjin mod (Korea campaign)
The Ming Chinese Calvary's armour and Uniforms(these are not drawn by me also)
Civis
Re: Imjin mod (Korea campaign)
Chinese Ming General's Armour and Uniforms in detail.(not drawn by me)
Civis
Re: Imjin mod (Korea campaign)
Chinese Ming Dynasty Medium Infantry armor and uniforms.(not drawn by me.)
Re: Imjin mod (Korea campaign)
I just remember that this very forum has All Under Heaven mod...Yes they're Song, but the development in Lamellar and Clothing does not show any major leaps...
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...e-Song-Dynasty
The Brigandine are different though...Korean Brigandine are mostly One-Piece Greatcoats, whereas Late Ming and Qing cosisted of separate Vest, Shoulderguards, and Long Skirts.
Well, according to spartan_warrior, Equipment Models are moddable, looking at his own signature....
Or Ask wangrin
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...x-for-Shogun-2
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post13051256
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...models-to-S2TW
...and Artillery Models doesn't even need to be in the latest format: Older ETW-NTW Format works
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This mean any modeller, even with tools for ETW will do for Artillery Models.
These are some needed Models
Korean Heaven Class Cannon
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Korean Hwacha - Already posted by Aruberikku
Folang Zhi Cannon
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Ming Great General Cannon
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If we want to keep the burden for the modellers down (and transferring it to the texturers...) These are some vanilla unitparts that have potentials:
Helmet
akechi_mitsuharu_helmet - do not have fukigaeshi, retexture shikoro to lamellar
bx_officer_jingasa - may be textured black
golden_scale_helmet - may be edited gor simple chinese helmet
gp_cap4 - generic cloth cap
mp_helmet_1 -may be edited to resemble simple chinese helmet
suji_bachi_kabuto - do not have fukigaeshi, may be edited for simple chinese helmet
toppai_tex - shikoro may be retextured to lamellar, fukigaeshi need to be alpha-channeled
sparse_point_helmet - shikoro may be retextured to lamellar, fukigaeshi need to be alpha-channeled
shoulders - overall japanese style lacing need to be edited
golden_scale_shoulders
goldfish_scale_sholders
hosokawa_tadaoki_shoulders
osode
silver_scale_shoulder
thigh armor - overall too short, so onlf for partially-armored units only
golden_scale_thigh
goldfish_scale_thigh
gp_thigh_armour1
gp_thigh_armour2
oda_nobunaga_thigh
western_style_thigh
arms
bs_cine_aristocrat_arm_japanplain - need simple recolor
bs_cine_samurai_generic_arm - need simple recolor
bs_late_arm_1 - need some retexturing on buttons
bs_late_samurai_arm_1 - need some color mask editing
bs_officer_arm_1 - I'm particularly interested in this. This 19th Coat is a blank canvas for skilled texturer to make both Full Lamellar or Brigandine of all types
gp_basic_arm_1 - need color mask editing
gp_monk_arm_1 - need color mask editing
legs - mainlanders usually wear shoes and boots rather than sandals
ashigaru_leg_2 - transform waraji sandals into shoes
bs_late_samurai_leg_1 - transform waraji sandals into shoes
bs_modern_leg_4 - erase strip color mask
bs_royal_marines
gp_samurai_legs_1 - change that armor into simple putees
gp_samurai_legs_2 - change that armor into simple putees
gp_samurailegs_01
gp_samurailegs_02
gp_samurailegs_03
gp_monk_leg_2
peasant_leg
Torso - overall need lamellar retextures
gp_attendant_torso - for lighter armors
and that sh_ninja cuirass.
Last edited by weirdoascensor; August 29, 2013 at 06:00 AM.
Decanus
Re: Imjin mod (Korea campaign)
Are you talking about the first Sino-Japanese War? Man, that would be pretty sweet. Maybe after Uanime finishes the mod or at least the basics of the map a FOTS styled mod could be made after it using the same concepts of Japan vs Korea vs China, but have Japan without its traditional troops (Remember, 1895) so it could have at least one disadvantage with the older teched Korean and Chinese armies. Somewhat assymetrical gameplay, that would be sweet!Originally Posted by Sogdog
Re: Imjin mod (Korea campaign)
chosun army with hand-gonne and leather armor
korean archer
those are only a tiny little bit of korean army.
Re: Imjin mod (Korea campaign)
let me check some error about korean army.......and some things to add.
first you need this new model. korean armys didn't wear 'bunggagi' at imjin war.
they mainly used this helmet.
isn't it look simillar to portugal helmet?
=Light Infantry=
korean Levy-Peasantry
korean slingers(during there traditional holiday, koreans played a game named 'suk gun', sperate peoples in two team and throw a stone to other side! like spain's tomato festival. they were very famous infantry during imjin war.)
korean Archer-Need Recurved Composite Bow model, better Bows than the Japanese
Korean Trident Infantry - Basic Polearm Infantry
(Korean Sword Infantry - use ninja back-sheathing, swords resembles Japanese Katana.)----error. korean army didn't used sword as primary weapon.
Korean Guerillas - role like the Hattori bandits and Mori Wako
Warrior Monk Archers - Need Recurved Composite Bow Model, superior range to Japanese Yumi
Warrior Monk Spears
Warrior Monk Swords
=Gunpowder Infantry= Korean Handheld Firearms are less developed compared to Japan
Korean Handgunners - Use Hand Mortar model for Handgun
Korean Matchlock Musketeers - Late Tech Unit comparable to Teppo Ashigaru
=Heavy Infantry=
Need Brigandine Armor Model
There are some Japanese Kabuto, If retextured, shall Suffice.
(Pudao Infantry - Shares unit with The Ming. Need Pudao Model------->not bad... but koreans didn't used pudao as primary weapon like ming's army.)
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=Cavalry= Korean Mainland Horses are somewhat superior to Japanese Insular Breeds
Need Brigandine Armor Model
Korean Horse Archers - Need Recurved Composite Bow Model
Korean Lancers - Charge Cavalry
Korean Flail/Sword Cavalry - Melee Cavalry
=Artillery= - Korean Artillery are far advanced compared to The Japanese
Fire Bomb Slingers
Wangu Mortar - ETW Mortar model shall suffice.
Hwacha Rocket Launcher - Need Wheelbarrow MLRS Model. Use Gatling/Puckle Gun Fire animations?(Need Testing - must able to launch up to 100 rockets in quick sucession)
Crouching Tiger Light Gun - Shares unit with China.
Chija Earth Class Medium Cannon - Need Four Wheel carriaged Cannon Model
Chonja Heaven Class Heavy Cannon - Need Four-Wheel carriaged Cannon Model -Model shared with Chinese Great General Class Heavy Cannon(---->china's geneal class cannon was not like chonja cannon)
and i think it will be better to use AORsystem like EBmode or BCmode.
for example, chosun hamgyong calvary and Pyongan calvary was one of the most elite armys in east asia. because they always fight with mangu's calvary. but of course they could only be seen in hamgyoung,pyoungan(chosun's north territory).
and in 1594, chosun establish a 'hunryun dogam' in seoul, and trained heavy infantry influenced by ming dynasty's zulgang army and musketeers influnced by japanese army.
of course, they could only be seen in seoul(hanyang) because hunryun dogam was only in seoul.
so how about units like chosun hamgyoung(or pyongan) calvary can be only trained in hamgyoung(or pyongan) and dogam heavy infantry or dogam musketeers can be only trained in seoul?
korean hamgyoung calvary---trained only in hamgyoung. using lance.
korean pyongan calvary---trained only in pyoungan. using fali.
korean dogam heavy infantry--trained only in seoul.
korean dogam musketeer--trained only in seoul.
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