How awesome woudl it be? - Naval Sieges -

[PROMETHEUS ts]

Googling around I found this picture from another tootal war liek game ...



Now how awesome would it be if Rome TW II coudl add naval siege as well ?

That woudl be spectacularly represented by a ( perhaps historical map ) Siege of Syracuse

Where Romans adopted Siege towers mounted on ships and Syracusans the all awesome machinery of Archimedes


I have to say also that the Naval reconstructions of VA are totally awesome and so are the cityscapes ... so imagine both now in that picture situation placed together ...
How awesome woudl it be ? ^^

[Jester]

it s not from a "Total War like game", unless you would call every RTS a Total War like game.

it s from 'Rise & Fall: Civilization at War', and yea it was a pretty cool game. the way they implemented naval warfare was impressive and kinda unique, the graphics are also still pretty good for its age.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

well if not wrong TW is shifting toward the more popular and easily accessible RTS style seems so .

Anyway that thread is not for discussing other games but the Naval sieges .

[Jester]

well if not wrong TW is shifting toward the more popular and easily accessible RTS style seems so .

... by adding more and more strategic gameplay features from game to game? naval warfare, tech trees, enhanced trade system, true amphibian assaults, more agents with more possible actions, new victory conditions, improved siege system where you dont have to just rush to the piazza in the center of a city, improved ai, attrition system, more unit and general abilities in battle, etc etc....... ??

adding more features/options and improving the existing ones is the opposite of making a game more accessible.


the only thing that makes the battles look more arcadey is the higher movement and kill speed we ve seen in the videos, but even that doesnt make the game more accessible, because it s actually harder for the player to react and micromanage


also, i remember that campaign mission in Rise&Fall and it wasnt really so much more spectacular or added more depth than all the other situations which included naval warfare. as i said before the naval warfare implementation in that game was in general pretty good and from the videos it looks very similar in Rome2

[nomercysniper]

We do have this to an extent don't we? Siege of Carthage? I kmow its historical but im sure it can be replicated with other cities

[Arrow2daknee]

Aren't there already Naval sieges? I don't think they could actually put a Siege tower on a Trireme and climb up walls like that due to engine limitations, I would forsee a ton of bugs.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

Aren't there already Naval sieges? I don't think they could actually put a Siege tower on a Trireme and climb up walls like that due to engine limitations, I would forsee a ton of bugs.

What engine limitations?
If an engine coudl make it 7 years ago why the more modern warscape shouln't?

[Archilles]

I think you can siege a town only with ships :p

[Heinz Guderian]

I dont know if all that Archimedes machinery stuff is historically plausible. With the cranes and mirrors. I watched an American movie called Archimedes Screws and it wasnt in it. It had lots of Numidians in it though.

[Legion_IX]

I dont know if all that Archimedes machinery stuff is historically plausible. With the cranes and mirrors. I watched an American movie called Archimedes Screws and it wasnt in it. It had lots of Numidians in it though.

Only the sun mirrors. The cranes are plausible.

[torongill]

Only the sun mirrors. The cranes are plausible.

So are the mirrors, but that's another topic.

OT:
I think someone from the team already mentioned you will be able to conduct naval sieges. I've listed the source as Shireknight's interview with Pawel and Al from CA at Rezzed.

But although it will be really cool to have naval siege towers or ship-based ladders and assault platforms, Archimedes' anti-ship devices and so on, I don't think we'll see something like that.
What would be a more realistic expectation could be a tower that holds a chain which blocks the harbour entrance, Destroying it will allow the ships to enter the harbour. At best I suppose an "advanced corvus" device might make it possible to use instead of ship-based assault ladders - but I wouldn't put too much hope in it.

For those ideas to work there have to be city/port walls that extend to the water and from what I've seen in the panoramic Carthage shot and the trailer "city-view" of Alexandria, that's not the case.

P.S. Do you intend to create the map of the siege of Syracuse? I can assure you that if CA wanted to have a proper siege of Syracuse, that city would've been a province capital, not a region capital. Sadly.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

P.S. Do you intend to create the map of the siege of Syracuse? I can assure you that if CA wanted to have a proper siege of Syracuse, that city would've been a province capital, not a region capital. Sadly.

If possible .

Sicily shoudl be a province by its own , it woudl be simply put like

Sicily province with 3 regions and Syracuse as capital

Messana ( or Akragas according to what fits in best inside the region map , probably none of them couse the island is too small ... in wich case just two regions and Syracuse as capital )
Lylibeum
Syracuse

Then split out one more region for Magna Grecia perhaps a interior City region .

Something like that perhaps woudl get an extra region for Sicily , and for Magna Grecia , Sicily turns into an endependant province and Syracuse woudl be Capital .

All happy .

[Onion Head]

Well I did find this interview where it seems like they talk about a naval assault. I may be misinterpreting it though. Anyways the interviewer asks if you can attack a city which has a docked fleet or only blockade it, which Pawel and Al confirm is possible. The blockading part and his overall emphasis on asking about fleets in this case makes it sound to me like he's asking about a naval assault, but again it might be misinterpretation on my part.

Here's the interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8QWU...page&t=139

[Smiling Hetairoi]

I remember that game. To bad it raped history.

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

sorry but "another tootal war liek game".first of Rise and fall is one of the most underrated games ever! second of another total war like game? have many is there I can only think of one. and that king Arthur. and if yes tell me please?

[ashbery76]

If I repeat something over and over again will the world believe me?

[PT_ReVoLuTioN]

Rise and Fall was awesome but it suffered from a great problem, one of the companies making it ditched out and Midway had to finish it the way they could, now even thou R2TW does not have the same problem it could use a bit more time to polish and fix some of its features.

[Rijul.J.Ballal]

I remember that game. To bad it raped history

Rise and fall is one of the most underrated games ever!

[-=PHX=-Hades]

Don't we kind of have this in Rome II? I mean you can't siege a city with JUST a navy, but you can use yer fleets in sieges now.

[Manuel I Komnenos]

Naval sieges were quite common back then. Alexander did it in Tyre, the Romans and Attalus I did it several times in Greece.