About Phoenicia

[General David]

Phoenicia had lost their statehood long before the 3rd century B.C. to the Persians and then to Alexander the Great. My understanding is that the region kept a distinctive character but was eagerly embracing Hellenistic culture. In fact, some parts of Lebanese society claim that their people are direct descendants of the Phoenicians. Other than on Wikipedia, you can read about Phoenicia here: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/2331/...#link2H_4_0023.

At the start of Rome II, the Seleucids own Phoenicia as part of the Syria province. Historically though, the region belonged to Ptolemaic Egypt and it is only until 198 or 197 B.C. that it reverted to Seleucid rule.

So here are my questions:

At the start of Rome I, the area (correctly) belongs to the Egyptians but in Rome II, it's under Seleucid rule. So is this another case of sacrificing historical accuracy for gameplay purposes?

Do you think that Phoenicia will somehow be incorporated into the game (apart from Carthage which was originally a Phoenician colony)? If the people of Tyre decide to rebel, will the rebels be called "Phoenician rebels"? Also, could there be some unique Phoenician units included?

[Destraex]

Do the Lebanese today even remotely have links to old Phoenicia.
I think people get their nickers in a knot over national pride when in fact their have been so many changes in there home countries that the
links to cultural past are all but gone... if not culturally even genetically.

Having said that I am all for having as much unit variety as possible and would welcome Phoenician units. If we have them though we will also need Jewish revolt and all of the units that entails.

[General David]

Do the Lebanese today even remotely have links to old Phoenicia.
I think people get their nickers in a knot over national pride when in fact their have been so many changes in there home countries that the
links to cultural past are all but gone... if not culturally even genetically.
Having said that I am all for having as much unit variety as possible and would welcome Phoenician units. If we have them though we will also need Jewish revolt and all of the units that entails.

I agree in your point about neighbouring Judea. If one of the two nations are going to be included somehow, the other should be too.

It seems that the Phoenician theory holds more sway in Lebanon than I previously thought. There actually exists a few political parties in Lebanon that profess "Phoenicianism" such as this one: http://unitedphoenicianparty.org/index.html. I think that Lebanon has always been a melting pot of different cultures (and a battleground of various empires) so the people are quite diverse.

[Revan The Great]

It seems unlikely due to a lack of any significant Phoenician military or political activities in the area. From all I've ever heard of, the Phoenicians of modern day Lebanon were perfectly content to go about their business, being ruled by whichever empire claimed them at the time.

If I had to choose between the Phoenicians and the Jews, I'd take wanting the Jews in the game any day.

[Ichon]

If Ptolemies controlled Phoenicia in Rome 2 at campaign start it should be as client faction. The best result would probably be half the region as Ptolemy clients and the other half under Seleucids.

[neoptolemos]

There could be some Phoenician marines as a unit in the game but if there is not this does not bother me at all.
What would bother me is the ruler of Phoenicia not to have commerce bonus in his economy.

[Manuel I Komnenos]

I guess the significance of Phoenicia and Cilicia in providing the states which own them with plenty of ships and experienced crews should be somehow pointed out in-game.

[General David]

I guess the significance of Phoenicia and Cilicia in providing the states which own them with plenty of ships and experienced crews should be somehow pointed out in-game.

I agree for better ships, especially since the unique resource for Phoenicia is not wood but purple dye.

If Ptolemies controlled Phoenicia in Rome 2 at campaign start it should be as client faction. The best result would probably be half the region as Ptolemy clients and the other half under Seleucids.

I guess it would be even more accurate to do it that way, since according to this map the Egyptians had Tyre and some territory just north of it.