Can we have the ability to Liberate regions?

[SinerAthin]

So, let's take an event.

The enemy invades your allies and conquers a region of theirs.

You decide to help your allies by moving to fight the enemy.
You successfully beat the enemy and manages to scour them from the region.

But rather than automatically claiming that region for yourself, it would be nice if you could have the ability to 'Return to Ally' or 'Claim for yourself', with the latter causing you to lose good relations with your ally if you choose to do, and the former giving you better relations, and perhaps even gifts/tribute as token for your actions.

It might also be the same with allies conquering your own provinces back, where the AI will gift your old regions back to you unless they are planning to break the Alliance and destroy you soon.

[CrayonVonCaesar]

Would be a welcome addition yep.

[Emperordh]

will be super to have

[omzdog]

A better diplomatic system in general is welcome.
Such as actual Causus Belli (hint: Latin).

[eskil]

A better diplomatic system in general is welcome.
Such as actual Causus Belli (hint: Latin).

A causus belli would be stupied since at that time there were no need for them to start a war .

[Legion_IX]

A causus belli would be stupied since at that time there were no need for them to start a war .

A cusus belli system without penaltys (except that other factions like you less) but with some bonuses would be a very nice idea. It was already intensively discussed in a special thread about implimentation some diplomatic features of Paradox game.

The idea of give a region back to your ally is very good, missed it already in TW games. For that matter any form of additional help to your allies is highly welcome as a feature in Rome 2. For example in EB and now in De Bello Mundi playing Rome my heart was bleeding to see Bactria overrun by Steppe faction. Except of gifting money any help was inpossible. So it would be nice if for example you could lend some units for your ally as an expeditionary corps for a limited time period. Advantage of such a system would be that you receive your units back (if they weren't KIA) and that they move as expeditionary corps even through hostile territories. Since they travel usually in small amounts as private persons the best way to implement it would be that the units disappier in your territory and then reappier after some time (due to the distance) next to you ally's capital. If your position is strong enought you can demand to keep the tactical commando. Means that your ally moves the corps on strategy map but you can command the battle if you want, if not you just click auto-resolve with the same effect if you would give the tactical commando to your ally.

[Briareos]

A causus belli would be stupied since at that time there were no need for them to start a war .

Oh my god. I love posts like this... Please READ a book, Mr. Internet, before you post a thing.

Edit: BTW, it is spelled "casus belli", not causus belli. Causus is an animal - a snake belonging to viper family.

[eskil]

Oh my god. I love posts like this... Please READ a book, Mr. Internet, before you post a thing.

Edit: BTW, it is spelled "casus belli", not causus belli. Causus is an animal - a snake belonging to viper family.

Oh my god...you must have a tons of friend right Mr popular...i can see it, because if you relate like this when you meet new person i'm sure everyone will want to be your friend.

Now back to the topic...i don't know latin because i did never care and will never care, i have little knowledge about history and don't care about animals.

However i know that cau...ops, casus belli was not needed to declare a war , and even then it would have no terrible effect on internal and external politics.

By the way show some respect when answering if you don't want people to believe you are a child.

P.S english is not my native language and just because i can't express my though very well it doesn't mean you should talk like that.

[Legion_IX]

i have little knowledge about history

However i know that cau...ops, casus belli was not needed to declare a war ,

I think you are right ... with your first statement.
For romans casus belli was a very important, essential issue. They tried to legitimate every military conflict due to a legal casus belli. Very important was that it should be a legal casus belli according to laws or treaties. If it was rightfull war is another story, but they tried at least always to interpret it as one.

[Briareos]

Oh my god...you must have a tons of friend right Mr popular...i can see it, because if you relate like this when you meet new person i'm sure everyone will want to be your friend.

Now back to the topic...i don't know latin because i did never care and will never care, i have little knowledge about history and don't care about animals.

However i know that cau...ops, casus belli was not needed to declare a war , and even then it would have no terrible effect on internal and external politics.

By the way show some respect when answering if you don't want people to believe you are a child.

P.S english is not my native language and just because i can't express my though very well it doesn't mean you should talk like that.

Fair enough, your point taken. I'll say it's thanks to the heat (over 35 centigrade in central Europe). It just seemed too ridiculous because, as somebody pointed out, Romans always needed a legal cause for a war to start. War was considered a very serious, generally honorable and even sacred thing to do. Well - at least from the sociological point of view. The slaughter on the field was, as we all know, probably something rather different.

However I do apologize for my harsh reaction. Better think twice before saying something. And btw my native tongue ain't English as well and your is quite good!

[omzdog]

A causus belli would be stupied since at that time there were no need for them to start a war .

This is untrue. Wars were expensive.
If domestic support for a war didn't contribute you could be sure that allied city-states would waver on providing troops or financial tribute and such.

You remember that the Social Wars were fought as late as 91-88 BC.
Meaning open hostility on the Peninsula and that even up until then unified consensus on foreign policy was very necessary to continue a war.
And you also remember that Rome's greatest fear during the 2nd Punic were betrayer city-states.

The casus belli was important, more important than you probably realize.
These were men of relative 'civility' after all.

[osros]

So, let's take an event.

The enemy invades your allies and conquers a region of theirs.

You decide to help your allies by moving to fight the enemy.
You successfully beat the enemy and manages to scour them from the region.

But rather than automatically claiming that region for yourself, it would be nice if you could have the ability to 'Return to Ally' or 'Claim for yourself', with the latter causing you to lose good relations with your ally if you choose to do, and the former giving you better relations, and perhaps even gifts/tribute as token for your actions.

It might also be the same with allies conquering your own provinces back, where the AI will gift your old regions back to you unless they are planning to break the Alliance and destroy you soon.

a) Yes liberate option is fine to have
b) Gift a region nice to have
c) Also since you can coordinate attacks with your allies you can hopefully coordinate a siege of the city with your ally and allow your ally to take the capture points with your help. Not sure if that will work but worth a try if we don't have a or b in the new game.

[AngryTitusPullo]

There will probably be no giving region option in Rome II. My guess 'liberating' a region will have the option of either making the region your own or making it a client state, just renaming the vassal option as in Shogun 2.

[Lord Cornwallis]

Liberate better be in the game or it will suck and if I can't give a region to a vassal than it will suck even more. Who ever designed the dipolmacy in S2TW should be moved to a different department or preferably a differnt title like Arena.

[General David]

Liberate better be in the game or it will suck and if I can't give a region to a vassal than it will suck even more. Who ever designed the dipolmacy in S2TW should be moved to a different department or preferably a differnt title like Arena.

I have also wondered why you cannot trade regions with your allies. Let's say you want to own a complete province and your ally holds one region in that province, it would be beneficial to request the region. Or if you want to create a buffer zone, you can give a region to your vassal state that would shield you from your ennemy.

[Igor85]

Well, because it's confirmed that there won't be an exchange option this 99% includes also a liberate-option (besides to establish a single-vasall-province all the time). Personally for me it's a nightmare, because for me it's the most important diplomatic option. Honestly it's the biggest factor why I don't play Shogun 2 for long. You had no possibility to form your land except for violance. And even then... do you want a strong Vasall with 5 regions who can actually help you, or do you want 5 useless vasalls who get conquered without your help all the time? BRING IN AN EXCHANGE FUNCTION, CA...PLZ!

Improving diplomacy by letting out the most important faction to give you some possibilities to form your land,...

[Dan113112]

Well, because it's confirmed that there won't be an exchange option this 99% includes also a liberate-option (besides to establish a single-vasall-province all the time). Personally for me it's a nightmare, because for me it's the most important diplomatic option. Honestly it's the biggest factor why I don't play Shogun 2 for long. You had no possibility to form your land except for violance. And even then... do you want a strong Vasall with 5 regions who can actually help you, or do you want 5 useless vasalls who get conquered without your help all the time? BRING IN AN EXCHANGE FUNCTION, CA...PLZ!

Improving diplomacy by letting out the most important faction to give you some possibilities to form your land,...

Where is it confirmed? Can you give a source please. Not just video footage from E3 or Rezzed by the way. An actual written/typed source from CA.

[Igor85]

Well, because it's confirmed that there won't be an exchange option this 99% includes also a liberate-option (besides to establish a single-vasall-province all the time). Personally for me it's a nightmare, because for me it's the most important diplomatic option. Honestly it's the biggest factor why I don't play Shogun 2 for long. You had no possibility to form your land except for violance. And even then... do you want a strong Vasall with 5 regions who can actually help you, or do you want 5 useless vasalls who get conquered without your help all the time? BRING IN AN EXCHANGE FUNCTION, CA...PLZ!

Improving diplomacy by letting out the most important faction to give you some possibilities to form your land,...

[Lord Cornwallis]

Give me liberate or refund my pre-order!

Just kidding BUT it would be another huge disappointment not to have these options or a refined version of them. I just don't think CA gets that these options play a huge role in re-playability and give the player the tools he needs to truely manage vassals and allies.

[omzdog]

Why do people pre-order electronically distributed games again?