Knossos / Cretan faction - discussion. Their banner should be a BULL

[Antiochus]

Knossos was a huge city, but in Bronze Age - Minoan culture. It was era of Trojan War.
It existed in the time of Rome 2, but it isn't well known name in modern times. I think that Crete is better name for this faction.

Please, CA you should change Knossos/Cretan banner. Actually banner looks like more Celtic symbol, not Greek. The most iconic symbol of Crete is a bull.

I think bull should be symbol of this faction.

[Mary The Quene]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Areus_I (campaigns)

This says something else actually, but it's wikipedia

[Manuel I Komnenos]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Areus_I (campaigns)

This says something else actually, but it's wikipedia

Source for this is Plutarch's Pyrrhus. It's accurate.

[Aklis]

Has there been a point in time where you haven't been whining?

[Mary The Quene]

While Areus was in Crete to support Gortys in its war against Knossos

[Antiochus]

I think it is a mistake of wikipedia. There is no other info about it. There is main article about Knossos:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knossos
It was destroyed in Bronze Age. In the time of Rome was other Cretan city - Heraklion.

[geala]

The palace of Knossos was destroyed at the end of the Bronze Age but the city was reused later. In the classical Greek period Knossos was a bigger one of the many city states on Crete (of which about 80 existed, frequently in war against each other). From about 320 to 220 BC Knossos was the most important City because the Ptolemaic governor reigned here. Later Gortyn became the most important city state. It is nonsense to name Crete Knossos but CA is right to make Knossos the "main city" of Crete in 270 BC.

[Keyser]

I think it is a mistake of wikipedia. There is no other info about it. There is main article about Knossos:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knossos
It was destroyed in Bronze Age. In the time of Rome was other Cretan city - Heraklion.

No it's not an error, it's just that you aren't as well informed as you think you are and truly, it is becoming tedious...
Read Polybe, then come back telling us what CA should do or not (this is where the info about the war between Gortys and Knossos come from by the way).

Knossos was one of the city states of Crete during the time of Rome 2.

Now, Crete was very disunited and was busy fighting and betraying each other or sending mercs and pirates everywhere in the eastern mediterannean until the roman came and put an end to this. But as it is a single region in game, they had to choose a faction. Knossos was still one of the most important city state. It's as valid as any other choice.

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Please, seriously, the next time you want to whine about a new info about the game or a screenshot, take the time to actually understand the news and looking at the screen, or to inform yourself about the point you are trying to make. When i see your threads i can only think how you whine about a lack of diversity in units while the screenshot you are complaining about clearly show several colors (i am thinking of the romans fighting samnites)...

[PROMETHEUS ts]

No it's not an error, it's just that you aren't as well informed as you think you are and truly, it is becoming tedious...
Read Polybe, then come back telling us what CA should do or not (this is where the info about the war between Gortys and Knossos come from by the way).

Knossos was one of the city states of Crete during the time of Rome 2.

Now, Crete was very disunited and was busy fighting and betraying each other or sending mercs and pirates everywhere in the eastern mediterannean until the roman came and put an end to this. But as it is a single region in game, they had to choose a faction. Knossos was still one of the most important city state. It's as valid as any other choice.

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Please, seriously, the next time you want to whine about a new info about the game or a screenshot, take the time to actually understand the news and looking at the screen, or to inform yourself about the point you are trying to make. When i see your threads i can only think how you whine about a lack of diversity in units while the screenshot you are complaining about clearly show several colors (i am thinking of the romans fighting samnites)...

There is no need to bash him , also because he is not completely wrong .. Knossos was not destroyed at the time , sure , but the capital of the Island of Crete was actually not Knossos ..
Larger cities of the island included : Knossos, Cydonia, Aptena, Ierapetra, Festo, Littos and Eleftherna.
But the capital was Gortyna

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gortyn

[Keyser]

There is no need to bash him , also because he is not completely wrong .. Knossos was not destroyed at the time , sure , but the capital of the Island of Crete was actually not Knossos ..
Larger cities of the island included : Knossos, Cydonia, Aptena, Ierapetra, Festo, Littos and Eleftherna.
But the capital was Gortyna

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gortyn

There is a need because i am tired of seeing "please CA this is wrong" when it's not.

Gortyn was the capital of the roman province, could have make sense (given that's the way CA has chosen for most province/region in game), more than Knossos maybe. But as i said, Crete being effectively separated in numerous rival city states, Knossos is as good a choice as any other and a generic "Crete" isn't.

Any way that wasn't his point either.

Had he made this point, i would have said nothing.

[Xyloto]

Wikipedia is one Grande(imagine a french accent)mistake. You guys should know that.

[nomercysniper]

@geala I think CA have gone for a city state approach, therefore the city on crete is Knossos, the city state would also be Knossos.

[Inhuman One]

Would be nice to have that faction playable too, I like how the bull is the symbol they often used on shields. Then again I'd also like to see Rhodos and Syracuse playable. At the same time I am very happy with the three city states we get though.

[Antiochus]

Okay. I believe you. But is is weird name of faction. For me Crete will be better.

Their banner should be a bull, not weird symbol similar to Celtic which is actually. Bull is the iconic symbol of Crete.

[Keyser]

Would make more sense since Crete is depicted as a single region, but that would go against their policy of using real factions as mus as they can (with the exception of some client states). There wasn't a cretan state in Rome 2 time frame, but a collection of rival city states. They had to chose one of the most prominent.
Like in the Peloponese, Sparta didn't control the whole area IRL, there were other factions there, but it wouldn't make sense to create a "Peloponesian" faction... So they went with Sparta.

[Jack Lusted]

The symbol of Knossos is the labyrinth because it appears on a large amount of coins from the time period our game covers:



http://www.snible.org/coins/hn/crete.html#Cnossus

[Mary The Quene]

The symbol of Knossos is the labyrinth because it appears on a large amount of coins from the time period our game covers:



http://www.snible.org/coins/hn/crete.html#Cnossus

Jack you're right but you portrayed Rhodos wrong then for the timeframe isn't it?



Source:
http://www.archaeological-center.com/en/auctions/35-090
http://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/arch...4/Default.aspx
http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/greece/rhodes/i.html

What's the reason for not using those images for Rhodos instead of the greek dragon?

[Arrow2daknee]

THe banner looks fine to me, wasn't there a (Mythical) Labyrinth with a Minotaur on Crete?

[neoptolemos]

The symbol of Knossos is the labyrinth because it appears on a large amount of coins from the time period our game covers:



http://www.snible.org/coins/hn/crete.html#Cnossus

Thanks Jack, that was a good choice and it is a cool symbol as well.

THe banner looks fine to me, wasn't there a (Mythical) Labyrinth with a Minotaur on Crete?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daedalus

Knossos has been supposed since Classical times to be the site of the labyrinth. When the Bronze Age site at Knossos was excavated by explorer Arthur Evans, he found various bull motifs, including an image of a man leaping over the horns of a bull, as well as depictions of a labrys carved into the walls. On the strength of a passage in the Iliad,^[14] it has been suggested^{[citation needed]} that the palace was the site of a dancing-ground made for Ariadne by the craftsman Daedalus, where young men and women, of the age of those sent to Crete as prey for the Minotaur, would dance together. By extension, in popular legend the palace is associated with the myth of the Minotaur.

In the 2000s, archaeologists explored other potential sites of the labyrinth.^[15] Oxford University geographer Nicholas Howarth believes that 'Evans’s hypothesis that the palace of Knossos is also the Labyrinth must be treated skeptically.'^[16] Howarth and his team conducted a search of an underground complex known as the Skotino cave but concluded that it was formed naturally. Another contender is a series of underground tunnels at Gortyn, accessed by a narrow crack but expanding into interlinking caverns. Unlike the Skotino cave, these caverns have smooth walls and columns, and appear to have been at least partially man-made. This site corresponds to an unusual labyrinth symbol on a 16th-century map of Crete contained in a book of maps in the library of Christ Church, Oxford. A map of the caves themselves was produced by the French in 1821. The site was also used by German soldiers to store ammunition during the Second World War. Howarth's investigation was shown on a documentary^[17] produced for the National Geographic Channel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labyrinth#Cretan_labyrinth

[PROMETHEUS ts]

the Labrys woudl have looked more pertinent tough beeing a symbol present in the Cretan culture since long time .