Germanic Tribes: do the families represent tribes?

[aqualord123]

Greetings to all who view this thread. I am currently reading a history of Germany and have recently been intrigued by the many tribes of Germany during the Roman era.. I was hoping that The Creative Assembly was going to include certain notable tribes such as the Cherusci (Hermann was the chief of this tribe whom had defeated Varus with a union of germanic tribes).

[Arokel]

I think that only Carthage and Rome get family subfactions. It was hinted at in a couple places.

[Barbarian Nobility]

Every playable faction will have three distinct political factions within it

[vietanh797]

Every playable faction will have three distinct political factions within it

no

Greetings to all who view this thread. I am currently reading a history of Germany and have recently been intrigued by the many tribes of Germany during the Roman era.. I was hoping that The Creative Assembly was going to include certain notable tribes such as the Cherusci (Hermann was the chief of this tribe whom had defeated Varus with a union of germanic tribes).

well maybe but not in the main game since we only have 9 factions in main game, Suebi is the only playable Germanic tribe for now

I can't not tell the future but I think they will sell some Germanic tribes as DLC

[Yayattasa]

Every playable faction will have three distinct political factions within it

I'm pretty sure I heard the same thing.

[Barbarian Nobility]

no

yes

I'm pretty sure I heard the same thing.

I'm almost adamant that I heard this stated by CA during a rallypoint episode, if I am wrong I will eat my words.

So far as factions within the barbarian tribes are concered it could go something like this;

Family 1: Ruling tribe of the confederacy and current King.
Family 2: Rival tribe in the confederacy, strongly backed by druids/religeous officials
Family 3: Rival tribe, was previously the ruling tribe but was deposed by the current King.

[Adreno]

yes



I'm almost adamant that I heard this stated by CA during a rallypoint episode, if I am wrong I will eat my words.

So far as factions within the barbarian tribes are concered it could go something like this;

Family 1: Ruling tribe of the confederacy and current King.
Family 2: Rival tribe in the confederacy, strongly backed by druids/religeous officials
Family 3: Rival tribe, was previously the ruling tribe but was deposed by the current King.

no ca have said only rome and carthage get 3 families to pick from, however they also said they had a different system for barbarians, which most likely points to being able to create a confederacy

[AngryTitusPullo]

no ca have said only rome and carthage get 3 families to pick from, however they also said they had a different system for barbarians, which most likely points to being able to create a confederacy

I don't remember where I saw (either from CA or just speculations) that Suebi will be able to form into bigger German confederation and Arverni into bigger Gallic confederation and the same with Iceni. Remember also that once that reached faction name will probably change into Germans, Britons and Gauls. Not sure if there's any truth. Maybe some wild speculations from my part though.

Probably this is base on faction description on TW factions wiki.

Suebi

Under the right leadership, The Suebi have the potential to unite to a single purpose, and Britannia, Gaul, and Iberia could easily be swept away under the weight of their numbers…

Iceni

The Iceni have the potential to dominate the Iron Age tribes of Britain. Beyond their shores lie Celtic Gaul and Iberia… can the Iceni unite them all under their banner?

Arverni

Seemingly unstoppable en masse, Gallic tribes sacked Rome in 390BC and terrorised much of the Aegean as recently as 279BC, invading Thrace, Macedon and Illyria. Maybe their destiny lies across the sea to Britannia, with all the Celtic tribes united under a single king? Or to the south, to finally put paid to the growing threat from Rome?

All three speaks about some form of unification, not just conquering.

[Revan The Great]

I'm pretty sure Vietanh is right. Every indication is that Carthage and Rome will be the only people with different political factions, or at least different families.

On the other hand, the Suebi weren't a tribe, they were a confederation of tribes. So it might not be so far fetched to say that you can pick one of the Suebic Confederation's tribes to play as, and get bonuses accordingly.

[vietanh797]

I'm pretty sure Vietanh is right. Every indication is that Carthage and Rome will be the only people with different political factions, or at least different families.

On the other hand, the Suebi weren't a tribe, they were a confederation of tribes. So it might not be so far fetched to say that you can pick one of the Suebic Confederation's tribes to play as, and get bonuses accordingly.

1 settlement is what Suebi got now so I don't think they will make it into tribes but give us some others like Boii and Cherusci

[AngryTitusPullo]

On the other hand, the Suebi weren't a tribe, they were a confederation of tribes. So it might not be so far fetched to say that you can pick one of the Suebic Confederation's tribes to play as, and get bonuses accordingly.

It could probably be this. Suebi player will get to choose from minor tribes such as Lugii, Alemanni or Hermanduri. Other possible candidates are Langobardi, Quadi and Semnones.

Or there's only one option under Germanic Tribe now which is Suebi and expanded later with Germanic Tribe DLC which includes Bastarnae, Cimbri Teutones and probably Helvetii.

[vietanh797]

It could probably be this. Suebi player will get to choose from minor tribes such as Lugii, Alemanni or Hermanduri. Other possible candidates are Langobardi, Quadi and Semnones.

Or there's only one option under Germanic Tribe now which is Suebi and expanded later with Germanic Tribe DLC which includes Bastarnae, Cimbri Teutones and probably Helvetii.

correct me if I am wrong but I thought Helvetii is a Gallic tribe?

I was wondering about that myself. We already know of multiple factions that will go under the "Eastern Empires" and "Successor States" sections, but we only have one playable faction each for the Gallic, Britannic, and Germanic categories. It'll be a little dull if they don't give us internal politics or plenty of DLC factions to fill them out.

let's hope we not only have 1 free faction DLC

[RagingCroppy]

Greetings to all who view this thread. I am currently reading a history of Germany and have recently been intrigued by the many tribes of Germany during the Roman era.. I was hoping that The Creative Assembly was going to include certain notable tribes such as the Cherusci (Hermann was the chief of this tribe whom had defeated Varus with a union of germanic tribes).

http://maps.totalwar.com/

The Cherusci (and probably Arminius) are clearly an independent unplayable faction on the campaign map. They might be playable later via DLC. One can only hope.

[O'Hea]

I was wondering about that myself. We already know of multiple factions that will go under the "Eastern Empires" and "Successor States" sections, but we only have one playable faction each for the Gallic, Britannic, and Germanic categories. It'll be a little dull if they don't give us internal politics or plenty of DLC factions to fill them out.

[jtfjtfjtf]

It's possible they'll release more Germanic factions as dlc to be chosen from the Germanic tribes group. On release it'll just be the suebii but i suspect the cimbri would be attractive to add as a faction since they invaded south and had a war with the Romans.

[Sabre120]

As far as I am aware, only Rome and Carthage have the family subfactions mechanic, however, I did hear that it is potentially possible to make confederations with other tribes when playing as 'Barbarian' factions, e.g. Suebi, Arverni and Iceni.

[geala]

Before the Romans had to deal with the Suebi, they were confronted by the Cimbri, Teutones and Ambrones 50 years earlier, of whom probably at least the Cimbri and Teutones were a Germanic tribe. Some argue still that both were Celts. Wether the Ambrones were a Germanic or Celtic tribe is more a matter of debate. The Cimbri and Teutones defeated a huge Roman army at Arausio, a crushing blow that resembles the loss at Cannae. Allegedly 120.000 Romans, 80.000 of them legionaries, were killed, but the numbers are exeggarated for sure. Such a formidable foe of the Romans should be in the game. However, the Cimbri and Teutones were tribes on the move, difficult to simulate in a TW game. So I don't think we will see them. The Helvetii were not a Gallic tribe, but a Celtic tribe settling in what is today southwest Germany and Switzerland. When I say Celtic, I mean part of the Latene culture. Germanic and Celtic are always problematic terms, because no tribes viewed themselves as Germanic or Celtic.

[jtfjtfjtf]

Before the Romans had to deal with the Suebi, they were confronted by the Cimbri, Teutones and Ambrones 50 years earlier, of whom probably at least the Cimbri and Teutones were a Germanic tribe. Some argue still that both were Celts. Wether the Ambrones were a Germanic or Celtic tribe is more a matter of debate. The Cimbri and Teutones defeated a huge Roman army at Arausio, a crushing blow that resembles the loss at Cannae. Allegedly 120.000 Romans, 80.000 of them legionaries, were killed, but the numbers are exeggarated for sure. Such a formidable foe of the Romans should be in the game. However, the Cimbri and Teutones were tribes on the move, difficult to simulate in a TW game. So I don't think we will see them. The Helvetii were not a Gallic tribe, but a Celtic tribe settling in what is today southwest Germany and Switzerland. When I say Celtic, I mean part of the Latene culture. Germanic and Celtic are always problematic terms, because no tribes viewed themselves as Germanic or Celtic.

The Cimbri are in the game and the region has germanic mercenaries.

[Ariovist]

Sadly CA started right by announcing the Suebi not as a single tribe, but a confederation of several tribes.
BUT then they excluded the suebian Marcomanni and made them an independant minor faction without any ties to the Suebi, not as alliance, vasall, or something else.

I simply can't understand their way of research to be honest.
In this case they negated their own faction description by describing the Suebi not as a single tribe.

The Semnoni, the Marcomanni, the Hermunduri, the Langobardi were all suebian tribes and by answering the OP question the Suebi with their tribes would have fit perfectly for a three family/tribe solution.

Other members mentioned Helvetii and Boii which were celtic tribes and the Alemanni were a out of timeframe coalition of tribes.

[geala]

True. However, it's like it is. BTW I hope the Boii become playable in a Celtic DLC. I would like to play a faction in this area but I don't like the Germanic tribes so much, would be ideal.