A non Greek-Ptol Egypt? What would its unit Roster look like?

**SinerAthin** · July 23, 2013, 01:21 PM

Greetings.

I've decided to create a poll that was mainly inspired by the debate in other threads regarding Ptol Egypt and whether or not they should also have an alternative, full native Egyptian roster as well rather than a hybrid Greek-Egyptian roster as they currently have.

Now, the reason for having a different roster in the first place could be all from having the native Egyptians rebel against the Greek ruling class and overthrow them, a choice simply made to spice up the game to avoid Egypt being 'just another Hellenistic faction' for the sake of diversity, or to give the player more to choose from.
But regardless of reason why there might be a second roster; this poll is dedicated to what that roster would be like if it existed.

A little bit of information about the different options.
Option 1 would be more like what we had in Rome 1, with Ramses II & Bronze age troops, thus more fantasy and not necessarily realistic.
Option 2 would be more theory-crafting, where they would make an alternate history unit roster with focus on realism and what the Egyptian army probably would have looked like if they had broken away from the Greeks under a strong leader and general, with focus on both realism & writing your own story.

**Stath's** · July 23, 2013, 01:39 PM

Maybe we should create also a poll for those who want Seleucids to be the Persian Empire.

If Egypt would be from another timeframe, then other factions could be too.

And then the game would be a circus.

**Captain W. Handberg** · July 23, 2013, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Stath's

Maybe we should create also a poll for those who want Seleucids to be the Persian Empire.

If Egypt would be from another timeframe, then other factions could be too.

And then the game would be a circus.

Suebi with viking armor and longships.

**neoptolemos** · July 23, 2013, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by Captain W. Handberg

Suebi with viking armor and longships.

Touche sir!

On topic:
I think CA did heard the fanbase all these years and delivered a more realistic mixed unit rooster with both Hellenistic and native units.
Still we do not know exactly how realistic and how proportionally Greek/Native the roster will be, but it will be far BETTER than Rome's 1 Mummy returns troops.

**SinerAthin** · July 23, 2013, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by Stath's

If Egypt would be from another timeframe, then other factions could be too.

And then the game would be a circus.

I have to agree on that one.
I far prefer option 2 over 1. Option 1 was basically just inspired by other discussions of the importance of realism that we've seen on these forums.

**He111** · July 23, 2013, 01:43 PM

I want a Roman Unit Roster which would show Romans which a ruled by Samnites.

**jtfjtfjtf** · July 23, 2013, 01:48 PM

I would like for there to be a faction unit roster and then a settlement by settlement local unit roster. You can develop either (or both) by building certain buildings.

**Border Patrol** · July 23, 2013, 02:58 PM

No

**Sulfurion Blackfyre** · July 23, 2013, 03:12 PM

People on this forum are no fun. Where's the fun on an Egypt with hoplites and phalanxes and all those boring greek units that half of the map will already have?

**Anna_Gein** · July 23, 2013, 03:13 PM

It is kinda difficult to create a second roster for a faction in case of an hypothetical native uprising. How would look the sammnite in 50 BC if they were not submit by the Romans ? How would look a Taras free army in 50 BC if the were not defeated but instead turned into the dominant power of south Italy ? The list could go on.

But in the case of an Egyptian uprissing, I really doubt a native ruller would simply ignorent the most skilled component of his state army. Well, not one who succeed in his uprissing.

**Sun Jetzu** · July 23, 2013, 03:14 PM

haha I have a thread about this, Roots of the Pharoahs lmao

**Donkeycow** · July 23, 2013, 03:28 PM

I like the current set up, with a mix of native and greek units. It is historical enough that it won't impede immersion for those of us who know the history, but i'm sure there will be enough egyptian flair to the faction to keep it unique. But honestly, Ptolemaic egypt was far and away one of the more interesting successor kingdoms, and i feel it criminal to not at least try to give them an accurate depiction.

**KLAssurbanipal** · July 23, 2013, 03:58 PM

I prefer realistic roster, so Greek style Ptolemaic roster.

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**the count** · July 23, 2013, 04:45 PM

A second roster would be cool. Like if there is a rebellion or a liberation that Egypt becomes a "real native" Egypt. In that case they can have Ramses units I don't care it is for the fun :p.

An persian empire is possible through the vassals of the Seleucids.

**Border Patrol** · July 23, 2013, 04:54 PM

The 'real native' Egyptians would fight in the modern fashion the same way as the 'real native' Phoenecians do in Carthage. Calling it the Hellenic style of warfare is akin to calling modern warfare western style. It's just modern.

**Scythion** · July 23, 2013, 05:01 PM

No, not again this. Why don't we give them mameluks too, for that case if the arab invasion happens earlier?

**-Concrete-** · July 23, 2013, 05:03 PM

I think they've struck a good balance.

**Manuel I Komnenos** · July 23, 2013, 05:18 PM

"IF" the Ptolemies are overthrown by a grand rebellion of the natives, then it makes sense for Greek/Macedonian units to be removed from the roster. Still, the Egyptians should keep fielding the same native units as before, swordsmen, phalangites (long spears), chariots, elephants etc.

**Scythion** · July 23, 2013, 05:39 PM

The player is the ptolemaic(forever a greek, always a greek) ruler of Egypt, it wouldn't make any sense to let a rebellion to overthow you, because you want to see more of those native units wich you already have.