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    Well i cancelled preorder that said i ve read the thread about movies to come into the right mood before the rtw2 release and i want to share my fair and extended reading experience about rome with you none-the-less:

    The first epic rome series ive read is...tatat...the

    Eagle Series from Simon Scarrow. Last Book "Praetorian" doesent really touched me but the dozen others did. Very cool and mostly historical accurate series about a battle hardened centurion (Macro) who take a new raw recruit (Cato) under his wings who turned out to be made out of more stuff then just becoming a centurion. Highly recommended.
    http://www.scarrow.co.uk/page9.html

    Marius Mules from S.J.A. Turney. Again here the last Book didnt touch me as others before but still a good read. Its mostly about Front the legate of the 10th legion who is one of Caesars most trusted generals in the conquest of gaul and some advantures in britain. A very good read about brutal warfare, a critical point of view about Caesar and later on Pompeius. The story so far ends right before the civil war but will go on. If you enjoy messy battles and a good laugh i highly recommended! The Author really has a good sense for funny jokes. If you dont know why the 10 th become the 10th equestrian, read it

    Marching with Caesar from R.W.Peake. Very graphical, intense, authentic story about a young man in the age of 17 (i think) Titus Pullo who enlists to the legions even tough he is to young. Making his career in the fields of hispania, gaul, britain and both following civil wars (so egypt and greek etc). He mets all of the common known characters of that time frame. First making his career to primus pilus under caesar. Later on serving first under Labienus then antonius and in the end switching side with his legion to octavian (caesar augustus) as antonius become the drunken dull cleopatra pet.
    While the first books are more about the live and fighting and his career in the legions his high position later on leads to the fact that the civil war circumstances and politics are more in focus.
    What is really shocking in this book is the authentic discription about not only the fighting but the violance later on. Specially after capuring citys who are declared "free to pillage". While mercifully his first rape is not described in detail the author is not hiding the fact that rape and pillage was (and sadly is) a instrument of war.
    Books like those from Scarrow doesent let you feel like you are in the front rank of an advancing cohort who is about to storm a wall with all the very frightening realistic details like your very low chance of survive if you go first. This one really really reach this goal. Titus Pullos first optio would make it in simon scarrows book to the end because he is such a cool character. In the book of Peake his optio is just burning to death because his sense of duty let him climb the ladder first.
    http://www.marchingwithcaesar.com/

    Vespasian Series from Robert Fabbri. Story about the "career" of the later on empire Vespasian including Claudius, Narcissus, Caligula etc. While not that historical accurate you still find yourself in the time frame. Its a more hollywood like story with many adventure like storys. But well writen and so recommended (if not primary).

    Hannibal series from Ben Kane. Story about Hanno ( a carthaginian nobel son) and Quintus (Roman nobel son) who met to to some rather far stretched circumstances. Hanno got captured by pirates and sold to Quintus family. They befriend and Quintus helped Hanno to escape. Later they find themselves on differend sites as hannibal invaded romes territory. Interesting is the pre-marian timeframe and so the differences to the other books mentioned above. Good writing style.
    http://www.benkane.net/his-books/han...enemy-of-rome/

    Empire series from Anthony Riches. Story about a senators son Marcus Aquila which father has been murdered by the praetorian prefect Sejanus in a political fight (his father was a republican). He flees to britain to hide in a auxilary unit (tungrians). Very very well written. Not historical accurate and Marcus is becoming sort of a two swords wielding hero while the tungrians are also god like. What are legionaries? Just get some tungrians to get the job done!
    Riches has really a talent for describing combat and for some good runing jokes. If not for that i wouldnt have laid hands on that series. But i still recommend it!

    Now one of my favs:

    Warrior of rome from Harry Sidebottom. Again another timeframe. Story about the son of a germanic tribe allied to rome named Marcus Claudios (Ballista). Sidebuttom let himselfe inspired by the writings of tacitus about this not so famous one-day-emperor. Ballista has become a roman nobel when beeing forced to succesfully murder a roman emporer (one of the many field crowned imperators in that timeframe). Beeing haunted by the ghost of that murdered emporer he got many mandates from first Valerian to fight either sassanids or even to root out christianity. He is even send into the bosporus to get some diplomatic deals for the roman empire which is strugling with its own survival. While he has become a roman name, noble and roman noble wife he is not accepted in the roman court and always got the bad missions. His missions always feels like suicide missions. The good thing is...this is no hollywood story with only happy endings.
    Sidebottom is a very very gifted author who really take the immersion into your brian while you read. His discriptions about the tactics he used to defend Arete agains the sassanid are very accurate and well written.
    Harry Sidebottom is just a awesome Author. really...read...this series!
    Wherever you go, old enemies will find you!

    Masters of the sea from John Stack. Story about a greek captain in service of the roman navy. Very intense novel about the naval warfare in the punic wars. Learned a lot about ancient naval warfare in this books.

    The books mentioned above are more or less about warfare in the roman time frame. If you are interested in more than the warfare but also very interesting politics (which is sort of a battlefield itself regarding rome) and the multitude of interesting characters who made rome you.must.read.this.series:

    Masters of Rome from Colleen McCullogh. She is focusing on "New mans" of rome. Beginning with Gaius Marius she ends with Cleopatra and Antonius. Between them of course the focuses on Sulla, Caesar, Pompeius etc. etc.
    What is most interesting in this series is the fact thats the great persons meet other great persons but doesent even know they will become great persons. Like Marius meets a interesting, handsome bright and very smart boy called gaius caesar in some side story about his own story. They interact. You meet them all. Marius is trying to block caesars career while fending off sulla with whom he was good friend and allied in the book before. Pompeius childhood is introduced. The civilwar rome vs. italian states about the citizen rights.
    Every interesting roman politic / war /intrigue / person just freaking all is written in this series. Just amazing epic! To bad the author has macula degeneration and more books are unlikely.
    If you only want cruel brutal warfare this is nothing for you. But if you are thrilled about the characters of caesar,marius,sulla,augustus,crassus etc. etc. and only read about them individually this is your must read. Really amazing to read about marius rise in the roman republic his friendship to sulla and the childhood of caesar. The beginning rivalry marius vs sulla while the apperance of caesar and pompeius increases untill all of them are fighting for power and the next generation is born and and and....

    Not a series but a very very very very good read is a book about the end times and struggle for surival of west rome:

    Eagle in the snow from Wallace breem. The roman legate has the hopeless task to defend the rhine (hadrian wall) against the no-longer-without tactics-fighting-germanic tribes who push into the dying empire.
    The books makes you feel really sorry for dying good old rome. Very well written. Takes many facts in account. Not only the fighting on the rhine. Also the dying paganity making room for christianity.

    What you should not, ever, EVER read is:

    Soldier of Rome Series from James Mace. This series is so utterly crap. Its like the auther put marines into legionary gear and lets them fight. He is freaking unbelievable even talking of squads. Hello? Squads?!?
    You only need to change a few lines in his book and the content could easily be the USMC fighting in falludscah.
    Never read this!

    Emporer Series Conn Iggulden. I have read the first books in german in my childhood and so bought the newly released "The blood of gods" out of sentiments to my old times.
    This series makes you a bad taste in your mouth. Iggulden puts senators fighting into the arena. He changes known family trees. He changes all! The writing style is good. But if you have even the lowest knowledge about rome and her legions and her politics as well as persons you will encounter way to much "wtf! you serious?" moments. Legionaries just dont slash with the gladius. Brutus was not known as the best sword fighter in the known roman world and octavian was not a general of caesar. And brutus was also not adopted by caesars father and was not in the same age then caesar. He was a roman senator from the brutti family. Damn it! damn...before i start ranting to much i stop here .

    Sorry for my bad english. If you like to read probably you know most of em...but you never know. Maybe im able to help someone out.

    Oh another recommandation: Hero of Rome from Douglas Jackson

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    no reading rats here

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    Thanks man! Just got ship of Rome (masters of the sea series) on your advice. Of all the libraries it was only available at the one in front of my house. Talk about luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodent24 View Post
    Thanks man! Just got ship of Rome (masters of the sea series) on your advice. Of all the libraries it was only available at the one in front of my house. Talk about luck.
    You are welcome. Grab yourself a kindle as app or device that way you have access to all of em.

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    I really didn't like Riches' Empire series, and I though Simon Scarrow was more suited for teen audiences. Robert Fabbri and Conn Iggulden write well, though.

    For non-fiction, I've recently finished Adrian Goldsworthy's 'The Roman Army at War', which takes a close look at how the Romans actually fought on an individual and unit level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bangell99 View Post
    I really didn't like Riches' Empire series, and I though Simon Scarrow was more suited for teen audiences. Robert Fabbri and Conn Iggulden write well, though.

    For non-fiction, I've recently finished Adrian Goldsworthy's 'The Roman Army at War', which takes a close look at how the Romans actually fought on an individual and unit level.
    I can then highly recommend Marching with caesar to you. Its a novel sure...but the close look is the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bangell99 View Post
    I really didn't like Riches' Empire series, and I though Simon Scarrow was more suited for teen audiences. Robert Fabbri and Conn Iggulden write well, though.

    For non-fiction, I've recently finished Adrian Goldsworthy's 'The Roman Army at War', which takes a close look at how the Romans actually fought on an individual and unit level.
    The Roman Army at War is a very expensive book! Is it good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1cmanny1 View Post
    The Roman Army at War is a very expensive book! Is it good?
    Yeah, academic books like that are usually ridiculously expensive.

    Goldsworthy applies John Keegan's 'Face of Battle' approach to Roman warfare, taking a proper look at the mechanics of battle and the effects of military psychology. It's worth getting if you're interested in that area because it's one of very few books that takes such an approach!

    Eofor's suggestion of Lendon's Soldiers and Ghosts is good, although his conclusions shouldn't be taken as full fact and they ignore factors other than culture, such as technology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bangell99 View Post
    and I though Simon Scarrow was more suited for teen audiences. Robert Fabbri and Conn Iggulden write well, though.
    I wouldn't say that. They are more like a good TV show... In the context of this subject, Rome (series) fits. Enjoyable, fast paced and not too much underhanded scheming, though it does increase later on. Obviously younger audiences will have an easier time reading Scarrow than most of the others, but I just find that to be a credit to him as he has managed to envelop more than the others. For comparison, real teenage reading is Sven Hazel, now that is true teenage style.

    The Vespasian series is good, if at times a little slow. Do like that Vespasian, while being the protagonist, is far from a true good guy (thinking about the children of Sejanus, daughter in particular), and not even bothered by it.

    The Emperor series was quite entertaining, but if anything this was teenage oriented compared to the other two. So many deviations from the real Caesar to create situations where Caesar and Brutus can get into trouble... It was quite a bit of a stretch at times, and not just in the historical sense, but in terms of keeping the literature going. Good plotmaker, good storymaker, but hardly very advanced writing.

    In any case, I suggest reading The Ten Thousand or The Anabasis (same thing) by Xenophon. Can be a bit heavy at times, but it is like reading about a real Troy at times (when they cross into Pontus area).
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    I would recommend emperor by Con Iggulden. Remember that it is a Historical Fiction and you will like the book

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hadro View Post
    I would recommend emperor by Con Iggulden. Remember that it is a Historical Fiction and you will like the book
    He is a good author but i just cant stand the raping of the roman history and culture he does. But yes if you can stand the fiction its good. His series about dschengis khan is way better tough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plautus View Post
    He is a good author but i just cant stand the raping of the roman history and culture he does. But yes if you can stand the fiction its good. His series about dschengis khan is way better tough.
    Yeah I have read both series. They are both pretty good! well worth a read

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    Polybius' the Histories is a must-read.

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    Too much rome for my taste.

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    A good non-fiction book would be J.E Lendon's Soldiers and Ghosts.
    Aelfwine, then, spoke out and valiantly declared: 'Let us call to mind those declarations we often uttered over mead, when from our seat we heroes in hall would put up pledges about tough fighting; now it can be proved who is brave. I am willing to make my lineage known to all, that I was from a substantial family in Mercia. My grandfather was called Ealhelm, a wise nobleman blessed with worldly wealth. The thanes among that people shall not reproach me for my wanting to get out of this army, to make my way home, now that my lord leader is lying hacked down in battle. To me that is the greatest grief: he was both my kinsman and my lord." Then he moved forward and turned his attention to revenge, so that with his spear he struck a seaman among the army so that he lay dead among the ground, destroyed by his weapon. Then he exhorted his comrades, his friends and companions, that they should advance.

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    This series by Ben Kane was enjoyable, has it involves the Death of crassus at the hands of the parthians and run to the rise of Caesar: http://www.benkane.net/his-books/

    The Forgotten Legion Trilogy


    A gritty portrayal of first century BC Rome in all its grandeur – and filth.

    The Forgotten Legion

    Rip-roaring action about slaves, gladiators and brothels. Follow Crassus on his doomed march into the East and discover his legions’ fate.
    The Silver Eagle

    In the second part of the trilogy Fabiola plots and schemes in Rome, while Romulus and his friends battle for survival at the edge of the known world.
    Road To Rome

    The trilogy comes to a stunning conclusion against the dramatic backdrop of the civil war and Caesar’s rise to power.







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    Quote Originally Posted by Yamabushi View Post
    This series by Ben Kane was enjoyable, has it involves the Death of crassus at the hands of the parthians and run to the rise of Caesar: http://www.benkane.net/his-books/

    The Forgotten Legion Trilogy


    A gritty portrayal of first century BC Rome in all its grandeur – and filth.

    The Forgotten Legion

    Rip-roaring action about slaves, gladiators and brothels. Follow Crassus on his doomed march into the East and discover his legions’ fate.
    The Silver Eagle

    In the second part of the trilogy Fabiola plots and schemes in Rome, while Romulus and his friends battle for survival at the edge of the known world.
    Road To Rome

    The trilogy comes to a stunning conclusion against the dramatic backdrop of the civil war and Caesar’s rise to power.







    Hey thanks! I'm gonna be at the library tomorrow so I figured I'd pick up a few books to kill some more time !
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    Although I still have some Scarrow books I have not opened yet, I find it hard to go and pickup on it again now. All good books I just have limited time. However in 30days since it takes me forever to get through a book I think I have time for one good book, after looking over the list, Marching with Caesar from R.W.Peake looks good. Is that where HBO got the Pullo character from? It sounds good, I just ordered and DLing Vol 1 Gaul, the kindle version for iPad. Ill get started tonight. If I have time may get the next.
    Last edited by osros; July 25, 2013 at 07:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osros View Post
    Although I still have some Scarrow books I have not opened yet, I find it hard to go and pickup on it again now. All good books I just have limited time. However in 30days since it takes me forever to get through a book I think I have time for one good book, after looking over the list, Marching with Caesar from R.W.Peake looks good. Is that where HBO got the Pullo character from? It sounds good, I just ordered and DLing Vol 1 Gaul, the kindle version for iPad. Ill get started tonight. If I have time may get the next.
    Sorry for the late answer.
    Both characters from the hbo series, titus pulus and publius vorenus, are mentioned in caesars writing because they won some battle honors. Thats why they appear in the series as well as in the book (i guess). Note:
    Caesar mentioned both Centurions in his "de bello gallico". The first scenes of the first rome episodes covered caesars writing to some extend. In his writing caesar described that Titus Pullo was moving out of a defensive position to hold of some gauls. Vorenus moved in as he has seen his fellow centurion in danger and both saved each others.

    The special thing about it is...both were up for the pending promotion to primus pilus. That Vorenus still saved Pullos arse and vice versa while performing this brave action made caesar mention them.
    They were not Centurions of the 10th "equestrian" legion because its mentioned they served under Ciceros son.

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    How about The Histories by Polybius.

    Or Caesar's The Gallic Wars.

    I read them both years ago. They're both very memorable.
    Last edited by Antiscamp; July 25, 2013 at 07:25 PM.

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