Where are the Eburones

[Ellixhirion]

Hi all,

As the Proud Belgian that I am, I wonder why in the province of Belgica, the Eburones are not included?
They were a significiant tribe around -50/-60 BC and even ambushed and killed a Roman legion, which conducted to their casi wipe out...

They were the mean leaders of the revolt against Rome with the Nervi, the tongri and another one that i don't recall.

Now if with Tongri they mean the historical region of "Tongeren" then it is correct, but even then, "Tongri" is not the right name of the tribe, it should be "Eburoni"

[Razor]

And the Bellovaci. But yes I tend to agree.

[sabaku_no_gaara]

it seems a lot of tribes are missing

[Dan113112]

Is it possible that CA wanted to stick with a certain amount of regions so they could not fit all of them?

[Ellixhirion]

I can aggree with that, but the point is, that from the region Belgica, the tribe of the Eburones were the most important!!
It was them who leaded the revolt of the belgica's confederation against Rome...

[the count]

Is it possible that CA wanted to stick with a certain amount of regions so they could not fit all of them?

captain obvious.

Yeah they had to make choices, it is impossible to include hundreds of tribes which are very similar. Therefore they tried to choose the most significant tribe for each of the individual regions

[Ellixhirion]

captain obvious.

Yeah they had to make choices, it is impossible to include hundreds of tribes which are very similar. Therefore they tried to choose the most significant tribe for each of the individual regions

Well they failed for the province of Belgica. And failed to include a historical leader as Ambiorix...

[Totalheadache]

at least the Demetae are in! you know for the life of me i cant think of anything remotely significant re this tribe and Rome.

(runs to his sources).

havent seen the batavii yet either...

[Doe3000]

at least the Demetae are in! you know for the life of me i cant think of anything remotely significant re this tribe and Rome.

(runs to his sources).

havent seen the batavii yet either...

I agree, a poor choice considering their neighbours. As for the Eburones and other tribes, it is simply impossible to include them all. Just think of all the different tribes that lived in Gaul. You'd exceed the 117 Factions list just by including all of the tribes of Gaul, Britain and Germania - which isn't to mention the ones in Iberia, the Balkans, Eastern Europe etc. I think there is around 130 + tribes (including minor sub tribes ) in Gaul, Britain and Ireland alone.

[Emperor Domitianus]

You can be a proud belgian but there is no reason to portrait every single small tribe that existed. If CA should follow your idea, they would have spent years only to finish the main map not to mention every single archeological site. Sincerely They have taken the best choice. Not even a mod could make you happy.

[Ellixhirion]

You can be a proud belgian but there is no reason to portrait every single small tribe that existed. If CA should follow your idea, they would have spent years only to finish the main map not to mention every single archeological site. Sincerely They have taken the best choice. Not even a mod could make you happy.

Don't get me wrong, my point is not to include every small tribe.
I'am allready happy, that they made the province of Belgica.
But in this province the dominant tribe were the Eburones and i don't understand why they didn't included them.
Even Ceaser wrote about them in his campaign.

[Emperor Domitianus]

Don't get me wrong, my point is not to include every small tribe.
I'am allready happy, that they made the province of Belgica.
But in this province the dominant tribe were the Eburones and i don't understand why they didn't included them.
Even Ceaser wrote about them in his campaign.

I konw about Caesar commentarii however I don't know why the have chosen the Artrebartes and the Trevirii..

[Markas]

The Eburones are not in Belgica because they weren't in Belgica in 272 BC. Caesar says they were distinct from the other Belgae in that they had come from across the Rhine some generations before his campaign, 'Germani cisrhenani', to use his term.

[Ellixhirion]

The Eburones are not in Belgica because they weren't in Belgica in 272 BC. Caesar says they were distinct from the other Belgae in that they had come from across the Rhine some generations before his campaign, 'Germani cisrhenani', to use his term.

Well then is half of the map to be redone, if you have to take note of the flux of migrations did by tribes.
I can aggree that they could'nt be there in 272, but how can Caeser stte this if he was around 56BC?

[Markas]

Well then is half of the map to be redone, if you have to take note of the flux of migrations did by tribes.

Which ones? How many are attested to in Ancient Sources?

I can aggree that they could'nt be there in 272, but how can Caeser stte this if he was around 56BC?

Because someone told him, I should think.

[Ellixhirion]

Which ones? How many are attested to in Ancient Sources?



Because someone told him, I should think.

If we go the "someone told" way nothing is anymore accurate XD
And a lot of germanic tribes did not stop migrating, were do you think they came from?

[Markas]

If we go the "someone told" way nothing is anymore accurate XD

Then I guess you'd have to present Archaeological evidence the Eburones were in the Belgica area in 272 BC. Not everything Caesar said was wholly accurate, but there is no evidence to the contrary of what he claimed, to my knowledge.

And a lot of germanic tribes did not stop migrating, were do you think they came from?

Not sure what you are getting at.

First of they had a major victory over the romans,nerviers did had a major defeat

You mean when they offered a Roman Garrison safe passage and then massacred them? uh-huh.

[Spartacus041]

How about the Cabrones and Versacii tribes of Italy and Spain? Why are they not included also? They played a significant role in advancing the technology of metallurgy and leather and would transmit their knowledge after Rome subdued them. I believe both tribes were mentioned in Polybius and Aristotle. I think. Don't quote me on that.

[Ellixhirion]

How about the Cabrones and Versacii tribes of Italy and Spain? Why are they not included also? They played a significant role in advancing the technology of metallurgy and leather and would transmit their knowledge after Rome subdued them. I believe both tribes were mentioned in Polybius and Aristotle. I think. Don't quote me on that.

QUOTE!!! No seriously, i know it is impossible to include all the tribes, i just want to understand how they did their selection, to not include my ancestors instead of these peasants XD

[tungri_centurio]

Still i think eburonen where a better choice for belgica
First of they had a major victory over the romans,nerviers did had a major defeat
Secondly they coud used the tungri as a emurging faction in late game,and tungri becaume loyal allies
For Rome,not supporting batavian revolt.