GAULS

[haloband]

Wow, those are gorgeous looking banners!!

[PSYCHO V]

Common guys, I know a lot of you here have a pretty good grasp of La Tene Culture, Gallic history and material culture ... what are your thoughts?

I havent the time atm to go through this in detail but let's pose some suggestions to CA.

eg. I'm suprised the Volcae don't have a wolf as their symbol (given the material evidence and the meaning of their name)

my2bob

[Lugotorix]

Common guys, I know a lot of you here have a pretty good grasp of La Tene Culture, Gallic history and material culture ... what are your thoughts?

I havent the time atm to go through this in detail but let's pose some suggestions to CA.

eg. I'm suprised the Volcae don't have a wolf as their symbol (given the material evidence and the meaning of their name)

my2bob

I'm just very happy the Belgae are included in some capacity.

[Doe3000]

Common guys, I know a lot of you here have a pretty good grasp of La Tene Culture, Gallic history and material culture ... what are your thoughts?

I havent the time atm to go through this in detail but let's pose some suggestions to CA.

eg. I'm suprised the Volcae don't have a wolf as their symbol (given the material evidence and the meaning of their name)

my2bob

Like you I am disappointed that the Ventei haven't been included in Armorica. They would have been a fascinating faction considering their naval tradition (or at least their naval expertise as recounted by Caesar in his Gallic Wars). A Ventei tribe appears in Italy in Rome II, so at least the Veneti are included in some form at least.

Gaelstrix has brought up an interesting point about Hill-forts. Considering most Iron Age Gallic and British forts of the era were situated on hilltops or plateaus, or at least some of the famous ones, will these be accurately portrayed in Rome II? In the original Rome, Celtic forts were represented by Asterix style little villages on open plains with perhaps a wooden stockade as a wall. Will forts in Rome II be a bit more accurate, or will the complex topography be too complicated for the game's pathfinding AI?

[Shigawire]

Great thread old friend. I'm not so well read on the subject of Celts, but I love the banners you have made. I'm pretty sure we will be able to mod in the banners for Rome 2.

Gaelstrix has brought up an interesting point about Hill-forts. Considering most Iron Age Gallic and British forts of the era were situated on hilltops or plateaus, or at least some of the famous ones, will these be accurately portrayed in Rome II? In the original Rome, Celtic forts were represented by Asterix style little villages on open plains with perhaps a wooden stockade as a wall. Will forts in Rome II be a bit more accurate, or will the complex topography be too complicated for the game's pathfinding AI?

I am also concerned about this. I really hope we won't see a repeat of the Asterix villages from Rome TW. I hope CA has learned and studied this clearly enough.

What Rome 2 needs to represent the VERY BEST of Celtic settlement and fortification design, is the Oppida (large settlements) built with the Murus Gallicus. These walls were IMPENETRABLE by artillery or battering ram, and they were immune to fire. I don't even think undermining had much effect. Only downside is that they took a lot of man-hours to build, and took up a lot of volume. Thankfully for the Romans, they were the world experts at the "escalade" (ladders).

... it possesses great advantages as regards utility and the defence of cities; for the stone protects it from fire, and the wood from the battering ram, since it [the wood] being morticed in the inside with rows of beams, generally forty feet each in length, can neither be broken through nor torn asunder.

[PSYCHO V]

Not Gauls but Britons need some work too.



Iceni Banner added. 6539 known Iceni coins and the some dozens of artifacts, 87% carry these religiously significant emblems.

[Markas]

Not Gauls but Britons need some work too.



Iceni Banner added. 6539 known Iceni coins and the some dozens of artifacts, 87% carry these religiously significant emblems.

A pattern with a horse is more important though. Of the 840 coins of the Wickham Market find 100% have a horse on one side, with various patterns on the other. I've seen few examples of a non-horse image on a coin.

[PSYCHO V]

Thanks Mods!! ... that's a great way to kill off a thread.

A pattern with a horse is more important though. Of the 840 coins of the Wickham Market find 100% have a horse on one side, with various patterns on the other. I've seen few examples of a non-horse image on a coin.

Horses more important why?

A significant proportion of all Celtic / Gallic coins feature horses in some shape or other ... it's not a unique feature for the Iceni.

For historically based banners, one must make a case why item 'A' is a good representative emblem / standard for a given demographic. Horses just don't cut it imho for the iceni. The tri-moon emblem depicted had specific significance for the Iceni, representing their religious connection with the founding / passage of time, the gods and thereby their nobility / right to rule. They depicted the symbols on thousands of coins, on equestrian fixtures and personal items.

my2bob

[Markas]

Horses more important why?

Going by your own logic that 87% of coins have the moon ans star symbol on. If horses appear on a greater percentage, then they are more important to the Iceni and more deserving to be on their symbol, no?

A significant proportion of all Celtic / Gallic coins feature horses in some shape or other ... it's not a unique feature for the Iceni.

Why? There's one German and one Gaul symbol with horses on. The only Chariot is the Iceni. Seems pretty unique to me.

The tri-moon emblem depicted had specific significance for the Iceni, representing their religious connection with the founding / passage of time, the gods and thereby their nobility / right to rule. They depicted the symbols on thousands of coins, on equestrian fixtures and personal items.

That would be interesting but I've never read that. Do you have a source?

[Doe3000]

Not Gauls but Britons need some work too.

Iceni Banner added. 6539 known Iceni coins and the some dozens of artifacts, 87% carry these religiously significant emblems.

Good work on the banner. CA's Iceni banner is based on a Roman coin depicting a chariot team, which isn't the best source available for the Iceni, but I think they chose it because of the chariots' association with Boudicca, and ancient "Brythonic" warfare in general.
It seems the other faction symbols for the British tribes are based on contemporary artwork, such as the Aston mirror from Herefordshire, which represents the Dumnonii, or the Melsonby horse mask from Stanwick for the Brigantes faction symbol.

I'm not too sure about the choices CA have made for the British tribes. I like the inclusion of the Iceni, Caledones and Brigantes. I'm not so sure about the Dumnonii, but they are interesting (personally I would have gone with Atrebates but they are already represented on the Continent; or the far more important Catuvellauni). I think they shouldn't have gone with Demetae, as they were a largely insignificant tribe in the history of the Roman conquest of Western Britain in comparison to the more warlike Silures and Ordovices.

[Markas]

I'm not too sure about the choices CA have made for the British tribes. I like the inclusion of the Iceni, Caledones and Brigantes. I'm not so sure about the Dumnonii, but they are interesting (personally I would have gone with Atrebates but they are already represented on the Continent; or the far more important Catuvellauni). I think they shouldn't have gone with Demetae, as they were a largely insignificant tribe in the history of the Roman conquest of Western Britain in comparison to the more warlike Silures and Ordovices.

My guess is (and it's only that) is that the likely capital of the Silures at Llanvair is on the Bristol channel and simply too close to the Dumonii Capital of Iska. Moridunon just has more space to expand and not reachable within one turn.

[Doe3000]

My guess is (and it's only that) is that the likely capital of the Silures at Llanvair is on the Bristol channel and simply too close to the Dumonii Capital of Iska. Moridunon just has more space to expand and not reachable within one turn.

That actually makes a lot of sense. Considering cities expand in size now, it looks as if having them too close together will cause too many problems. In that case it would have been better to include the Ordovices, who fought valiantly for Caratacus, were possibly fighting alongside the Druids at Mona and were not fully subdued until the campaigns of Julius Agricola. Perhaps they could have had a capital at Brannogenium although that lays outside of Wales.

[Hesus de bodemloze]

Eburones are Belgae.

[AndyMoszejevsky]

I hope we see an great and different celtic culture, with france as an very big agra cultur region with many villages. BTW we have 8-12 Million peoples there with an little village on every half mile splitted in over 150 tribes. We know not all his names only 60%. And please not the 50 years old doctrine the Celts lived in forest and eat wild boar.


H.Balck

[Anjou]

An article in Ancient Warfare Magazine regarding the Celts http://issuu.com/satsobek/docs/aw_vi...190867/3331328

[Gugugu47]

Nice banners, and I hope to find a way to play with the Volcae and that their banner will be changed.
Actually I see a problem on how banners would be different from each other. Thinking about the game play, it is also
necessary to be able to know which banner correspond to which faction, but always trying to use historical sources.
In my opinion the Iceni symbol is an example of how not to do it. If the symbol comes from a Roman coin, it is not
good considering there are many examples of ways how the Iceni represented themselves... just a thought.
But again, I'm really impressed with the banners, seriously amazing.

[L'aigle]

Hello,
Your banners are beautiful, well done !

From what we can already see or guess.
There will be a lot of work to get a good representation of the Celtic tribes in the game

I gathered a lot of information and images on this, the most important thing is to have safe and verified information for a historical work.

I intend to work on uniforms, weapons and shields Celtic.I would like to create a topic on the forum of Rome II. Group information for a project / mod the above. But we can not yet.
I hope we can add specific units, I would like to add non-existent units to existing factions.
For example add warriors "Lemovices" in the unit list "Arvernes" etc. .. As mercenary (AOR) or directly in their list of units.

[Biggus Splenus]

Given the format of those banners, I'm guessing you originally made them for Mount and Blade maybe?

They're very nice