Seeking the counsel of fellow Gallic / Celtic lovers
Ok, we’ve seen a bit of what CA has planned for the Gauls now. The Arverni Faction and map layout. There are a few minor changes I personally would like to see but I’m interested to see what other Gallophiles thought:
Recommended Changes for CA:
Suessiones ('Six clans'): Replace the Treverii. These guys were the leaders of the Belgae confederacy in the 3rd century during their struggle with the Carnutes and Aedui. I’d like to see these guys replace the Treverii (who were further east) as a third Belgae faction.(see banner below)
Volcae ('Wolves'): These guys need to have their iconic wolf (as depicted on numerous artifacts) used as their emblem.(see banner below)
Pictones: These guys would be better served with their one hand emblem.
Iceni: Tri-moon emblem (see banner below)
Atrebate: Change (see banner below)
Nervii: Change (see banner below)
Helvetii: Change (see banner below)
Insubres: Change (see banner below)
Briganti: To a Bull
Osimisii: Replace the Namnetes. Disappointed no Veneti but I can appreciate CA have chosen the Namnetes to save confusion with the Veneti of Italy, but I’d prefer to see another sea faring tribe in an area known for such. I’d suggest the Osimisii, a larger tribe than that of the Namnetes.
Volcae Trocmi Banner replaces the current Galation one.
Senones: These were largest of the Cisalpine Gauls and sackers of Rome. I’d like to see them included somehow, either as a marauding band or occupiers of Ariminum. (see banner below)
The following are banners produced some years ago using material cultural / archeology.
Banners: Some are not too bad (ie Aedui having a horse is quite apt given the significant worship of Epona throughout their territory, Carnutes having the depiction of a horned helm). Others ..well hmm. What do you guys think, where can improvements be made?
What say you? Thoughts / suggestions?
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Last edited by PSYCHO V; July 25, 2013 at 11:52 PM.
I am a little vexxed by Jack's quote: "The Gallic tribes share the same units." I hope this doesn't imply that none of the Gallic factions have faction unique units.
I am a little vexxed by Jack's quote: "The Gallic tribes share the same units." I hope this doesn't imply that none of the Gallic factions have faction unique units.
Bear in mind that there's a difference between Gallic and other mainland Celtic units according to the campaign map planner.
I am a little vexxed by Jack's quote: "The Gallic tribes share the same units." I hope this doesn't imply that none of the Gallic factions have faction unique units.
Doesn't work for Boii as they are present on the campaign map, just not in Italy.
I am a little vexxed by Jack's quote: "The Gallic tribes share the same units." I hope this doesn't imply that none of the Gallic factions have faction unique units.
I share your concern. I was hoping for a bit of tribal variation, which isn't all that hard from the snippets of knowledge we have. I'd suspect a variation of colours .. but apparently we'll be getting quite a lot of unique units for other factions.
Originally Posted by Doe3000
..Personally though I think it must have been a mix of several methods, including migration and invasion (such as that of Brennos into Greece and Anatolia) and cultural osmosis (which is what probably happened in Britain and Ireland).
On another note, great thread Psycho V - I really like the standards that you've created.
Yup, tend to agree. A bit of both.
Originally Posted by TheTank
I like your banners Psycho but the Gaulish Carnyx blower is armed with a Frankish Fransica axe.
These are 5 century AD weapons ......... ;-)
lol .. right you are Tank. Good eye.. missed that.
Originally Posted by Donkeycow
You are aware the game comes out in less then 2 months right? They won't be changing anything design related between now and then.
Which is kinda disappointing don't you think? At this late juncture? There's a fair bit of collective knowledge within the community that CA could draw from. In fact, it was the community that pointed CA to many of the features of RTW I.
Is it just me or do people not understand that the Boii existed in other places besides Italy?
Or that the Boii and Etruscans mixed so effectively that Historians call the resulting culture Gaul-Etruscan, or that a more relevant faction has that particular area at game start.
'When people stop believing in God, they don’t believe in nothing — they believe in anything. '
-Emile Cammaerts' book The Laughing Prophets (1937)
Or that the Boii and Etruscans mixed so effectively that Historians call the resulting culture Gaul-Etruscan, or that a more relevant faction has that particular area at game start.
Interesting. All I did to learn a little about the Boii was a quick Wikipedia search.
There's also a limited number of regions/provinces (for gameplay reasons) so some factions just didn't make the cut. Also, Celtic tribal territory changed quite often.
Is it just me or do people not understand that the Boii existed in other places besides Italy?
A lot of Gaulish/Celtic tribes could be found in other territories, such as the Atrebates and Parisii in Gaul and Britain, the Tectosages in Gaul and Galatia and so on. Whether these tribes were related or whether they just happened to share the same name is a matter of debate between archaeologists. It has become quite popular to dismiss the idea that the Parisii of the Arras culture (in Yorkshire, England) had anything in common with the Parisii of Gaul (The area around Paris, France) despite the cultural similarities such as the chariot burials, which are unique in Britain - and are very similar to the types in France.
The common idea today amongst archaeologists is that Celtic (a term that has become increasingly unpopular) culture and language was spread peacefully through trade and other means through the Atlantic seaways (and across rivers) during the Bronze Age, and not through migrations and violent invasions during the Iron Age by warriors from central Europe. Personally though I think it must have been a mix of several methods, including migration and invasion (such as that of Brennos into Greece and Anatolia) and cultural osmosis (which is what probably happened in Britain and Ireland).
On another note, great thread Psycho V - I really like the standards that you've created.
A lot of Gaulish/Celtic tribes could be found in other territories, such as the Atrebates and Parisii in Gaul and Britain, the Tectosages in Gaul and Galatia and so on. Whether these tribes were related or whether they just happened to share the same name is a matter of debate between archaeologists. It has become quite popular to dismiss the idea that the Parisii of the Arras culture (in Yorkshire, England) had anything in common with the Parisii of Gaul (The area around Paris, France) despite the cultural similarities such as the chariot burials, which are unique in Britain - and are very similar to the types in France.
The common idea today amongst archaeologists is that Celtic (a term that has become increasingly unpopular) culture and language was spread peacefully through trade and other means through the Atlantic seaways (and across rivers) during the Bronze Age, and not through migrations and violent invasions during the Iron Age by warriors from central Europe. Personally though I think it must have been a mix of several methods, including migration and invasion (such as that of Brennos into Greece and Anatolia) and cultural osmosis (which is what probably happened in Britain and Ireland).
On another note, great thread Psycho V - I really like the standards that you've created.
It's definitely a mix of the spreading of Celtic culture and invasions/migrations. Especially since historical and archeological evidence points to both in my opinion. I'll admit I am not well versed in the subject, though.
I't not specifically about Gallia, but with 30 unique settlements (someone said somewhere) out of 56 or so faction capitals, I wondered if the de-facto capital of Caledonia/Alba/Scotland (Eildon) will be a unique one, since it was a hill fort city and would look silly if it was a traditional flat/spread out one.
A hilltop with three peaks rising 164 m out of what would have been forest and farmland in the hills of the southern uplands.
The hilltop is surrounded by over 5 km (3.1 mi) of ramparts, enclosing an area of about 16 ha (40 acres) in which at least 300 level platforms have been cut into the rock to provide bases for turf, stone or timber-walled houses and fortifications. The hill itself had a population of 3,000 - 6,000 in the iron age but no evidence has been found of occupation after the Roman invasion, as the population likely abandoned it to seek refuge in the north.
GAULS
Pictones 
Allobroge 
Parisii 
Senones 
Helvetii 
Eburones 
Insubres 
Volcae Tectosages 
Menapii 
Suessiones 
Atrebate 
Nervii 
Selgovae 
Setantii 
Carvetii 
Iceni 
Volcae Trocmi 
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Originally Posted by PSYCHO V
