Compiled unit stat cards for units fighting in battle of the Nile

[CanOmer]

Why does that poor Egyptian infantry unit have only 40 men? A marine?

[CTD_or_Bust]

Why does that poor Egyptian infantry unit have only 40 men? A marine?

It may just be a purposely understrengthed unit to serve as part of the demo/battle. I studied the symbols below it briefly and am assuming a few things -
(Far Right) The eye behind trees seems obvious. The unit can hide in trees/brush/cover. Standard stuff for TW games.
(Center Right) It seems to be a javelin icon. I guess this because the Roman legionary units will certainly have javelins and also have the symbol. Furthermore, the Camel Archers have the same symbol with a sort of windy slash through it. So as a guess I would say it's some kind of icon for thrown weapons.
(Center Left) Well it's a Scutum (Roman shield). But it's on an Egyptian infantry unit and whats more - it's the only unit to have that symbol. None of the Roman units or other Egyptian units have that symbol. That, as well as the 40 unit count, makes the Egyptian Infantry stand out as a unique unit. Very curious and I have no explanation.
(Far Left) I've saved the best for last because I just don't know what the hell it is. It looks like .. it could be the prow of a ship. It could be a baton with feathers flying behind it. It could be a firebrand! It could even mean they have a fancy hat with a feather in it. I just don't know. All I can see is that both cohort units carry it in addition to the egyptian infantry. I'm going to take a completely uneducated guess and say that perhaps it means that unit can burn down doors (akin to shogun 2s infantry ability when you click a gate).

None of its icons shout "MARINE UNIT!!" to me. Maybe. But nothing definite. Its name contains the description 'Infantry" and it has no special stats. It's stats are actually remarkably bad compared to the rest. Adding everything up, I just don't see anything special about it. So I assume that it is an understrengthed unit to make the battle more interesting than a normal campaign battle. I can't draw any other conclusions unless I have missed some information.

[Keyser]

I've saved the best for last because I just don't know what the hell it is. It looks like .. it could be the prow of a ship. It could be a baton with feathers flying behind it. It could be a firebrand! It could even mean they have a fancy hat with a feather in it. I just don't know. All I can see is that both cohort units carry it in addition to the egyptian infantry. I'm going to take a completely uneducated guess and say that perhaps it means that unit can burn down doors (akin to shogun 2s infantry ability when you click a gate).

It looks like a whip.
I guess it's a forced march ability or something like that.

[O'Hea]

It may just be a purposely understrengthed unit to serve as part of the demo/battle. I studied the symbols below it briefly and am assuming a few things -
(Far Right) The eye behind trees seems obvious. The unit can hide in trees/brush/cover. Standard stuff for TW games.
(Center Right) It seems to be a javelin icon. I guess this because the Roman legionary units will certainly have javelins and also have the symbol. Furthermore, the Camel Archers have the same symbol with a sort of windy slash through it. So as a guess I would say it's some kind of icon for thrown weapons.
(Center Left) Well it's a Scutum (Roman shield). But it's on an Egyptian infantry unit and whats more - it's the only unit to have that symbol. None of the Roman units or other Egyptian units have that symbol. That, as well as the 40 unit count, makes the Egyptian Infantry stand out as a unique unit. Very curious and I have no explanation.
(Far Left) I've saved the best for last because I just don't know what the hell it is. It looks like .. it could be the prow of a ship. It could be a baton with feathers flying behind it. It could be a firebrand! It could even mean they have a fancy hat with a feather in it. I just don't know. All I can see is that both cohort units carry it in addition to the egyptian infantry. I'm going to take a completely uneducated guess and say that perhaps it means that unit can burn down doors (akin to shogun 2s infantry ability when you click a gate).

None of its icons shout "MARINE UNIT!!" to me. Maybe. But nothing definite. Its name contains the description 'Infantry" and it has no special stats. It's stats are actually remarkably bad compared to the rest. Adding everything up, I just don't see anything special about it. So I assume that it is an understrengthed unit to make the battle more interesting than a normal campaign battle. I can't draw any other conclusions unless I have missed some information.

The far left looks an awful lot like a flagellum (whip) to me. Since this is apparently a heavy infantry unit and only other units with that icon are the Legionaries and Evocati I think we can assume it marks discipline or an ability related to discipline. I'd assume the awful stats and tiny unit-size are just for demonstration purposes.

[Souka]

Why does that poor Egyptian infantry unit have only 40 men? A marine?

For demo purposes. In this link you can clearly see another Egyptian infantry unit in the battle which has 160men

http://youtu.be/Kg42DC4EpMY?t=11m45s

[bob_2000]

Rep'd for OP.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

Good job collecting the cards, but looking at the Icons I dare anyone to understand wtf they mean ... and thats couse they wrote are more intellegible?

Are more complicate than deciphring Hieroglyphs ... Those icons for the Unit abilities are beyond human understanding .

[RGA]

Good job collecting the cards, but looking at the Icons I dare anyone to understand wtf they mean ... and thats couse they wrote are more intellegible?

Are more complicate than deciphring Hieroglyphs ... Those icons for the Unit abilities are beyond human understanding .

The same feeling I had when I first time saw an Xbox controller. Then I actually played the game.

[naiveharry]

Rep for OP for such useful data

[groovyjohal]

Thanks Dude!

[groovyjohal]

Thanks guys for all the responses and reps
A couple of extra observations up for discussions:
-There is an icon at teh bottom of the camel speamen which shows a horse; I think it signifies that this unit scares horses
-The charge for the camel units is quite low and they do not seem to have the "bonus vs cav" stat
-The charge bonus of the elephants is half that of the Ptolemy cav (seems too low)
-The roman cav has higher melee stats (atk & def) and armour than other cavs; would seem they are the equivalent of the katana cav of shogun 2
-Notice the diff in armor of the african elephants and the auxiliary african elephants

AI behaviour discussion based on these stat cards:
It would seem that the egyptians have crap inf + very good cav contingent (including eles and chariots). Now, when in the video, Al takes his cohorts up the hill without spear of cav cover, I thought that the AI (like it did in shogun 2 vs katan inf) would use their cav units with higher charge bonus to charge at these inf down the hill.

IIRC, they had 2 scythed chariots, eles, 2 camel spearmen and ptolemaic cav (with charge bonus 125!!!), yet the ai charged with only the infantry. The chariots charge came too late and the ptolemy cav did not charge at all - maybe the ai behaviour and priorities are still being tweaked and the ai thought it should hold the ground around the capture point?

[MemnonOfRhodes]

Pfft icons are bit tricky.

1st icon on Auxiliary African Elephants is probably the ''Kill amok elephants''
2nd icon looks like ''scare nearby infantry''
3rd icon is a total guess... Ability to hide?
5th icon looks like a Elephant version of warcry

[TotalWarker]

Great work OP +rep

[karasis]

what!!!!!! Cavalry powerful than elephant?

[d4g4n]

Nice effort.

Seems Elephants are quite weak actually; 10 armor only, to most romans having 70+

Ptolomaic cavalery will be deadly; Egyptians in general quite weak though.

[Toho]

Rome looks so over powered compared to the Egyptians... why?!
I would just like to say the UI looks like absolute ...

it is simply incomprehensible, too much going on with no explanation, too many small icons, the color scheme is bad, it has no baring resemblance to anything that could remotely be considered roman/greek/whatnot.

I cant imagine what they are going to do with Parthia or Averni but with this terrible design present in both Egypt and Rome I can say that both will be god damn awful.
hopefully we can mod this but I am not too certain.

[Eofor]

Rome looks so over powered compared to the Egyptians... why?!

Because the game was still being balanced when the video was made and looking at the stats (Hastati, Legionaries, Evocati and Elephants all have the same weapon damage? lol) that's pretty obvious.

[BunnyPoopCereal]

Rome looks so over powered compared to the Egyptians... why?!

To make the E3 presenter look good. And so they can actually have a guaranteed win. They said they didn't want to play 6 games and lose 5 out of the 6. Before recording the final game.

[Toho]

this is a good thread, it should not die.
Romans are overpowered again and the UI is god awful.

[Romanheart]

I like the stats. Roman legionaries have to be the best and most versatile infantry in the ancient world (and the more expensive).