The Spartan thread

[zala]

SPARTANS! WHAT IS YOUR GAMEPLAN?
Edit: TWC doesn't seem to like my line through profession.

Sorry, had to be done.

So, we start off with our single region, where will you go from there?
I'm personally unsure of whether to focus on Epirus since we're already at war with them, or to sack Athens and gain the wrath of Macedon.

[neoptolemos]

Given the setting of the starting positions and the lack of siegable cities in Greece, it seems that Sparta ought to act quickly and gain control of a siegable city-Athens in order to ensure a chance of survival.
She is pretty much doomed otherwise unless she has overpowered infantry in order to overcome in quality the other Greek factions...

[zala]

Given the setting of the starting positions and the lack of siegable cities in Greece, it seems that Sparta ought to act quickly and gain control of a siegable city-Athens in order to ensure a chance of survival.
She is pretty much doomed otherwise unless she has overpowered infantry in order to overcome in quality the other Greek factions...

That's my thinking, but don't think just because Sparta/any other non siegable city isn't a province capital it is useless, we still get the 4 building slots and only miss out on an extra 2. This is why I'm a tad unsure of what my starting moves will be. If I sack Athens and claim it as my own, then I'll be at war with Macedon, depending on the CAI Epirus may or may not accept peace with me and become a buffer zone until I'm ready to march north.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

I honestly think that those greek cities pack was a total waste of time and resources, I would have preferred if they used that DLC for iberian tribes, Sarmatian tribes or African tribes ...

Apart eventually Epirus .

[zala]

I honestly think that those greek cities pack was a total waste of time and resources, I would have preferred if they used that DLC for iberian tribes, Sarmatian tribes or African tribes ...

Apart eventually Epirus .

I disagree, and I'm sure there are those who agree with me, as well as those who agree with you. Let's not derail this thread with more of your 'CA did this wrong and should cater the game to me' posts.

[|Sith|Galvanized Iron]

I honestly think that those greek cities pack was a total waste of time and resources, I would have preferred if they used that DLC for iberian tribes, Sarmatian tribes or African tribes ...

Apart eventually Epirus .

Why? Spartans were 10 times better warriors than the Romans and the Athenians were a 100 times more civilized and advanced.

[tungri_centurio]

Why? Spartans were 10 times better warriors than the Romans and the Athenians were a 100 times more civilized and advanced.

thats why the romans steamrolled them,maybe they wher better at some things but in general the romans where stronger and adaptive

but seriously i think athens and epirus where good enough for minor playable factions in greece,better added seluecids,pergamon and a iberian tribe as free dlc

[DogSoldierSPQR]

Why? Spartans were 10 times better warriors than the Romans and the Athenians were a 100 times more civilized and advanced.

I personally doubt it. The Spartans were just 'one trick ponies'. They could beat anyone that fell into their Phalanx trap. The Romans would never have fallen for it. So much more to the Roman tactics book, but with the Spartans, just the same old Phalanx. The Spartans were good and we all know it, but they didn't adapt which the Romans were the best at doing.

[zala]

I personally doubt it. The Spartans were just 'one trick ponies'. They could beat anyone that fell into their Phalanx trap. The Romans would never have fallen for it. So much more to the Roman tactics book, but with the Spartans, just the same old Phalanx. The Spartans were good and we all know it, but they didn't adapt which the Romans were the best at doing.

Yes and no, on both points regarding the Spartans and the Romans.

[neoptolemos]

I personally doubt it. The Spartans were just 'one trick ponies'. They could beat anyone that fell into their Phalanx trap. The Romans would never have fallen for it. So much more to the Roman tactics book, but with the Spartans, just the same old Phalanx. The Spartans were good and we all know it, but they didn't adapt which the Romans were the best at doing.

Well don't be so sure about that, after all wasn't Xanthippus who trained a far less famous army and beat the Romans after all?

Xanthippus (Gr. Ξάνθιππος) was a Greek (possibly Spartan) mercenary general hired by the Carthaginians to aid in their war against the Romans during the First Punic War. He trained Carthaginian soldiers and led them into the battle of Tunis, where Carthaginian forces routed the Roman expeditionary force and captured the Roman consul Marcus Atilius Regulus in 255 BC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xanthippus_of_Carthage

[Smiling Hetairoi]

Well don't be so sure about that, after all wasn't Xanthippus who trained a far less famous army and beat the Romans after all?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xanthippus_of_Carthage

Pretty sure he just taught them some discipline.

[RGA]

I personally doubt it. The Spartans were just 'one trick ponies'. They could beat anyone that fell into their Phalanx trap. The Romans would never have fallen for it. So much more to the Roman tactics book, but with the Spartans, just the same old Phalanx. The Spartans were good and we all know it, but they didn't adapt which the Romans were the best at doing.

Given the notorious history of Roman legions who charged head-on into the Macedonian phalanx in Cynoscesphalae and again in Pydna, I doubt that the Romans would actually hesitate to attack a phalanx from front. Roman generals were long not just for victories, but victories with honour and glory.

Well don't be so sure about that, after all wasn't Xanthippus who trained a far less famous army and beat the Romans after all?

Don't forget the Spartan general named Gylippus who singlehandedly turned the tide of the Athenian siege of Syracuse. Sparta seems to produce the most inspiring drill sergeants of the ancient world.

[neoptolemos]

Don't forget the Spartan general named Gylippus who singlehandedly turned the tide of the Athenian siege of Syracuse. Sparta seems to produce the most inspiring drill sergeants of the ancient world.

Or Agesilaus who with a small army was messing around in Asia minor?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agesilaus

[Steel*Faith]

Don't forget the Spartan general named Gylippus who singlehandedly turned the tide of the Athenian siege of Syracuse. Sparta seems to produce the most inspiring drill sergeants of the ancient world.

Or Agesilaus who with a small army was messing around in Asia minor?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agesilaus

To reinforce this, don't forget about Xanthippus, a Spartan commander, of the Carthaginian forces during the first Punic War; with his help and training of their armies, they had success against the Roman Legions.

[Augustus Scipius]

I honestly think that those greek cities pack was a total waste of time and resources, I would have preferred if they used that DLC for iberian tribes, Sarmatian tribes or African tribes ...

Apart eventually Epirus .

I agree that making so many factions playable on such a small part of the campaign map was a rather redundant choice, but none can deny their popularity. Greek states were practically the most asked for factions after the Seleucids on several forums, and surely boosted up sales.

[chadwicknight]

I honestly think that those greek cities pack was a total waste of time and resources, I would have preferred if they used that DLC for iberian tribes, Sarmatian tribes or African tribes ...

Apart eventually Epirus .

Is there something that you actually DO like of the game?

[Spartacus041]

I honestly think that those greek cities pack was a total waste of time and resources, I would have preferred if they used that DLC for iberian tribes, Sarmatian tribes or African tribes ...

Apart eventually Epirus .

I agree. They should have deleted Greece altogether. Maybe also removed a region from Italia and added it to Africa instead.

[jsully16]

I honestly think that those greek cities pack was a total waste of time and resources, I would have preferred if they used that DLC for iberian tribes, Sarmatian tribes or African tribes ...

Apart eventually Epirus .

Problem is, very few people in the grand scheme of things care about these. People don't know what the Gallaeci are, but everyone knows Sparta and Athens because just a bit before the game starts, these places were essential. Romans took so much from Greece, it'd be wrong not to focus a little on Greece in this game.

But I might as well be talking to a wall, here.

[zala]

Problem is, very few people in the grand scheme of things care about these. People don't know what the Gallaeci are, but everyone knows Sparta and Athens because just a bit before the game starts, these places were essential. Romans took so much from Greece, it'd be wrong not to focus a little on Greece in this game.

But I might as well be talking to a wall, here.

I know who they are, and I know why they aren't a faction being focused on as a playable one. As you said, it can be like talking to a brick wall at times.

[Lord Dakier]

I honestly think that those greek cities pack was a total waste of time and resources, I would have preferred if they used that DLC for iberian tribes, Sarmatian tribes or African tribes ...

Apart eventually Epirus .

I think we should have the German nation formable just for you Prometheus!


Seriously though, I'll probably do Sparta 2nd my plan will be to take Athens and try to make peace with Epirus. I don't want to be stuck between two factions so I'd rather stomp the one out straight away. The enemy of your enemy, will be your future enemy.