Bible Code

**The Walrus** · September 04, 2006, 12:04 AM

Do you believe in it?

**boofhead** · September 04, 2006, 12:09 AM

No.

Mathematically / statistically / probability-wise you can find whatever you are looking for using the program that was used. The reason is that the search parameters kept changing the 'start' letter of a page. You take the next hebrew letter as the first of a new page, everything moves along one letter, and hence you get a totally different set of diagonal-reversed-column results just by changing the start letter. And that also depends upon how many columns wide you set a page or how many lines down.

When you consider how many Hebrew letters were in the bible, the possibilities are almost infinite.

You could find 'Bilbo Baggins' and 'Samwise Gamgee' I bet.

**Rush Limbaugh** · September 04, 2006, 12:45 AM

Mathematically / statistically / probability-wise you can find whatever you are looking for using the program that was used

Ive seen quite a few shows on this and Id have to say I havent been convinced one way or the other yet. Right now the proof however looks to me to be their on to something. The statement you just made has been shown to be wrong.

**Richard the Lionheart** · September 04, 2006, 12:51 AM

No I don't believe in the Bible Code, mainly because it has multiple authors.

**Rush Limbaugh** · September 04, 2006, 12:56 AM

No I don't believe in the Bible Code, mainly because it has multiple authors.

Isnt it all based on the Torah in reality and shouldnt it be called the Torah code?

**God** · September 04, 2006, 01:17 AM

I saw a program where they did the same to Moby Dick and got similar results. I don't believe the bible codes at all.

**Rush Limbaugh** · September 04, 2006, 01:28 AM

saw a program where they did the same to Moby Dick and got similar results

As I said I saw that same show and later on in it they dissproved the Moby Dick thing. As Ive said neither side has convinced me one way or another though. I dont find such things facinating however.

**God** · September 04, 2006, 01:29 AM

Originally Posted by Rush Limbaugh

later on in it they dissproved the Moby Dick thing.

They did? I don't remember that...

**Rush Limbaugh** · September 04, 2006, 01:35 AM

They did? I don't remember that...

Its a very long show. At least three or four parts. Sometimes they show the whole thing somtimes only the hour shows.

**boofhead** · September 04, 2006, 03:40 AM

An interesting quote I found on the matter, referring to one of the proponent's challenges to the sceptics:

"Drosnin once said, "When my critics find a message about the assassination of a prime minister encrypted in Moby-Dick, I'll believe them." McKay promptly produced an ELS analysis of Moby-Dick predicting not only Indira Ghandi's assassination, but the assassinations of Martin Luther King, John F. Kennedy, Abraham Lincoln, and Yitzhak Rabin, as well as the death of Diana, Princess of Wales. Mathematician David Thomas did an ELS on Genesis and found the words "code" and "bogus" close together not once but 60 times. What are the odds of that happening? Thomas also did an ELS analysis on Drosnin's Bible Code II: The Countdown (2002) and found the message "The Bible Code is a silly, dumb, fake, false, evil, nasty, dismal fraud and snake-oil hoax."* Does this mean that God put in a code to reveal that there is no code?" :tooth:

Source: http://skepdic.com/bibcode.html

It is one of those things where the observer's expectations and search parameters will determine the result.

As a Christian I would LIKE it to be true....but....

Not true, I'm afraid.

**Markas** · September 04, 2006, 03:52 AM

Didn't Drosnin claim that, according to his code, smallpox would be used as a weapon in Isreal/Palestine in 2005 and that atomic holocaust would upon us in 2006? Also he has a 'get-out' clause that many people who say they can predict the future use- the future is changeable and not set. Therefore he can say 'yeah well that didn't happen cos I changed it'. It's a circular arguement.

I for one don't believe Drosnin is a fraud but I believed he's deluded himself by miscalulating odds (I saw a BBC program on how four out of six people cannot calculate or evaluate odds, even at the basic level)

**shenmueguru** · September 04, 2006, 09:19 AM

Yea, I heard that WWIII was supposed to happen on Aug. 3rd 2006. Also, there are christian sites who say that the bible code goes against the bible.

**The Walrus** · September 04, 2006, 09:22 AM

I heard we all might die in the year 2012 from a comet or asteroid.

**Markas** · September 04, 2006, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by The Walrus

I heard we all might die in the year 2012 from a comet or asteroid.

Is that the Maya prophecy or some scientific calculation? If so that's a scary coincidence...

**The Walrus** · September 04, 2006, 10:00 AM

No it is from the Bible Code. I saw it on some show on the History Channel

**Markas** · September 04, 2006, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by The Walrus

No it is from the Bible Code. I saw it on some show on the History Channel

So the Mayans and the Bible has it in for us. We're doomed.

I don't remember that one from the first Bible code but I've only read the first one. God knows what Drosnin and Ely Rips will come up with next.

**Tom Paine** · September 04, 2006, 10:48 AM

Markas, the Bible has had it in for us innumerable times. I think the fact we're still here shows it ain't happenin'

**Sétanta** · September 04, 2006, 10:53 AM

Its possible, but not very likely. If they start accurately predicting things using the bible code then I will be a little more apt to believe in it, because right now they can only find stuff that has already happened.