What about the LEGION banners and STANDARDS? Also Evocatie Cohorts??

[Poniatowski1991]

Hi guys,

I was shocked to see Evocati Cohorts ingame and that there were no LEGIO banners at all. I was hoping CA learned from the RS2 numbered legions how to do this job well.
Instead we will get a standardised legion with standard banners and aquilifiers.

I thought we would get banners made of textile with a bull or a boar on it and so on. Instead we get the same standards as we always did, the hailing hand.

Secondly, we will get evocati cohorts, seriously? These men were the veteran legionairies, I hope these cohorts are upgrades from experienced legionairy cohorts and ARE NOT
RECRUITABLE.

Thirdly, the troops are still fast paced and are throwing pilas at high speed at their enemies. Not possible!!!

Finally, the javelin effects are like ****, when I see those laser beams falling down my head starts to ache. I want a normal game, not some COD game in god mode.


I just hope this was still far from beta lol, this is an another bad..... project, if not.


1.5 months and we will see. But I will make my first remark on the battle effects and troop standards if they displease me. And I assure you, modding will be needed!!

[Wiezma]

Creative Assembly: "Good, I can feel your anger. I am defenseless. Take your weapon. Strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!"

[Poniatowski1991]

Creative Assembly: "Good, I can feel your anger. I am defenseless. Take your weapon. Strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!"

Not so difficult to make huh? This banner.....


Each legion has its own unique standards, period!

[Roma_Victrix]

Creative Assembly: "Good, I can feel your anger. I am defenseless. Take your weapon. Strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!"

"Good! Your hate has made you powerful. Now, fulfill your destiny and take your father's place at my side!" "...Together, we will annihilate the rebel alliance of Firaxis, Blizzard, and Princess Paradox."

[nomercysniper]

I think the Evocati are in there to spice up the basic roman rota a little. Otherwise the best troop is simply Legionary cohort.

While i think it would be a good feature if the banner you choose for the units in the campaign map appeared on the standard bearers banner, i dont think this will happen... would be cool.

Yeah the javelins bummed me out, looked a bit quick when the men turned to face the elephants and released instantly.

[♠ Thomas Cochrane ♠]

I think the Evocati are in there to spice up the basic roman rota a little. Otherwise the best troop is simply Legionary cohort.

Which is simply retarded.

CA are blabbering on about faction diversity, but they can't deviate from giving every faction lots of units, even if they didn't have them IRL. Evocati were not a distinctive unit, as has been made very clear. I - and many others - were hoping and hypothesising about how CA would do the transition from Polybian to Marian legions, and I suggested that all Polybian troops (e.g. hastatii etc.) would become legionaries, but it looks like the "best" we can hope for is that Triarii become Evocatii, and the others become Legionary Cohorts. This is bloody ridiculous, and just as inaccurate as RTW. Let's hope something can be done about it.
I want veterans, but I don't want to go down to the soldier shop and say "please build me 200 battle-hardened bastards, here is my money".

[RGA]

Which is simply retarded.

CA are blabbering on about faction diversity, but they can't deviate from giving every faction lots of units, even if they didn't have them IRL. Evocati were not a distinctive unit, as has been made very clear. I - and many others - were hoping and hypothesising about how CA would do the transition from Polybian to Marian legions, and I suggested that all Polybian troops (e.g. hastatii etc.) would become legionaries, but it looks like the "best" we can hope for is that Triarii become Evocatii, and the others become Legionary Cohorts. This is bloody ridiculous, and just as inaccurate as RTW. Let's hope something can be done about it.
I want veterans, but I don't want to go down to the soldier shop and say "please build me 200 battle-hardened bastards, here is my money".

AFAIK, Evocati is the name for individual soldiers. There is no evidence of evocati systematically organized into separate cohorts. Instead, they served along side other legionaries. Therefore, the idea of evocati cohort is already historically inaccurate.

[RGA]

Firstly, E3 demo does not represent the final game. It might be 80% identical, but we simply don't know what are the other 20%. So, hold your fire and wait until the game is release.

Secondly, those things you mentioned (lack of specific legion's banner, recruitable evocati, javellin trail etc.) are actually minor details. I, as an average gamer, am more concerned by the playability of the game, i.e. bugs. I already found a handful of minor bugs in the demo video and hope that they will be squashed during beta-testing. But again, there will be no telling until I got my own hand on the game and actually play it.

Thirdly, mods and vanilla version aim for different groups of audience. Vanilla gameplay is always more straightforward, more simple and more balanced, but some mods overdid it and made the game too much complex for comfort. It's really a to each his own system. No need to speak ill of others who don't share your view of a good game.

[Archilles]

There are no standard bearers in the game yet... only for romans - but jack said there will be some for all factions - so maybe the romans arent final too?!?

[|Sith|Galvanized Iron]

Evocatii were not simply veteran cohorts, they were retired cohorts called back into service, so a special class.

[Legion_IX]

Evocatii were not simply veteran cohorts, they were retired cohorts called back into service, so a special class.

Exactly. Evocatii are not just experienced legionaires. But I agree to everything else mentioned by OP.

[Keyser]

Recruiting in Total war is abstracted, as long as we don't have "pops" (population data based on census/social classes, areas (city/rural/per provinces etc) etc) it will be abstracted.

So you don't go to a shop to order 200 veterans even if that looks like it in game. Your empire is supposed to live, your soldiers even if you don't recruit new units aren't the same in each units for 100 years, so you HAVE veterans waiting to be rerecruited. I don't see the problem.

Wanting "veteran" units (ie upgraded ones by veterancy) to become evocati is even more retarded than the current system. Evocati are RETIRED veterans. Not veterans veterans...

Edit

ninjaed by the poster just above.

Anyway, what should make people jump high (well not really, but creating discussion at least) about how the evocati are portrayed should be their stats. These guys were in their late 40's should they be the cream of the roman army ? Really ?
They should have a great morale (they came out of retirement for their general or because of a crisis) but not so great stats imo (similar to regular cohorts).

[sunny44]

its a game not real life.

[Påsan]

Evocati might be a veteran upgrade though. I presume the Praetorian Guard is the ultimate Roman heavy infantry, not Evocati which sort of seem unnecessary wedged between the Praetorian and the legionaries while doing the exact same thing. (And while the actual proficiency of the Praetorian can be disputed, their fame (or infamy) probably ensures that they are ingame in some form or another.

[Lord Dakier]

I presume the Praetorian Guard is the ultimate Roman heavy infantry, not Evocati

Nah not when you have the Knights of the Round Table as a special hero unit...

[dom385]

Did evocati serve in campaigning armies? They seem like something that should only be raised in an emergency, like if an army is destroyed or home territories are being invaded. Would a retired veteran really be up to serving in a campaigning army? I know they are verterans but if they go from a serving soldier to a farmer or whatever surely they would lose some conditioning and skill.

[Legion_IX]

Did evocati serve in campaigning armies? They seem like something that should only be raised in an emergency, like if an army is destroyed or home territories are being invaded. Would a retired veteran really be up to serving in a campaigning army? I know they are verterans but if they go from a serving soldier to a farmer or whatever surely they would lose some conditioning and skill.

Or (as in most cases) during the civil war.

[Påsan]

Evocati was preset in most late-republican armies.

[Keyser]

The advantages of old veterans back under the banners is that they don't have to be taught how an army and combat works.
They know the drill, the tricks.

They won't need half a year to be combat ready. And they won't need to learn how to conduct patrols efficiently, that not doing some things will get you and your unit killed, they know that some situations may not be as dangerous as they seem or that if they do their things right it will be okay*.

That's all those things that make them troops a general will be happy to have. Not their combat stats.

*It's a double edged sword though, if they feel (by experience) that a situation is wrong they may refuse to fight or choose to retreat, whereas less exeperienced troops may stand or obey.

[He111]

To be honst, Evocatie should be the top end Heavy Infantry, while Praetorians are more like Parade Soldiers and a political Factor, instead of an Elite Formation.