Hitler and Stalin were possessed by the Devil, says Vatican exorcist

[Armfelt]

Adolf Hitler and Russian leader Stalin were possessed by the Devil, the Vatican's chief exorcist has claimed.

Father Gabriele Amorth who is Pope Benedict XVI's 'caster out of demons' made his comments during an interview with Vatican Radio.

Father Amorth said: "Of course the Devil exists and he can not only possess a single person but also groups and entire populations.

"I am convinced that the Nazis were all possessed. All you have to do is think about what Hitler - and Stalin did. Almost certainly they were possessed by the Devil.

"You can tell by their behaviour and their actions, from the horrors they committed and the atrocities that were committed on their orders. That's why we need to defend society from demons."

According to secret Vatican documents recently released wartime pontiff Pope Pius XII attempted a "long distance" exorcism of Hitler which failed to have any effect.

Father Amorth said: "It's very rare that praying and attempting to carry out an exorcism from distance works.

"Of course you can pray for someone from a distance but in this case it would not have any effect.

"One of the key requirements for an exorcism is to be present in front of the possessed person and that person also has to be consenting and willing.

"Therefore trying to carry out an exorcism on someone who is not present, or consenting and willing would prove very difficult.

"However I have no doubt that Hitler was possessed and so it does not surprise me that Pope Pius XII tried a long distance exorcism."

In the past Father Amorth has also spoken out against the Harry Potter books, claiming that reading the novels of the teen wizard open children's minds to dabbling with the occult and black magic.

Father Amorth, who is president of the International Association of Exorcists, said of the JK Rowling books:"Behind Harry Potter hides the signature of the king of the darkness, the devil."

He said that Rowling's books contain innumerable positive references to magic, "the satanic art" and added the books attempt to make a false distinction between black and white magic, when in fact, the distinction "does not exist, because magic is always a turn to the devil."

Father Amorth is said to have carried out more than 30,000 exorcisms in his career and his favourite film is, according to Italian newspapers The Exorcist.

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What are your thought on this? I find it extremely hypocritical that the church that has killed more people than both Hitler and Stalin combined has the right to declare anyone as an antichrist. the Catholic curch itself is possesed in my opinion. Why does the church rely on shamanism like this anyway? And get over Harry Potter, it's a good book!

[removeduser_426582376423734]

You're making a mountain out of a molehill. Let the crazy hobo gibber in his corner, who cares?

[MoROmeTe]

It seems a little bit far fetched... And why should we stop at Hitler et Stalin? Pol Pot, Ceausescu, Beria, Pinochet they were not possessed just evil men? Where does one draw the line between the possessed and the naturally evil?

It also seems a bit dangerous to me as it puts forward the idea that all of the great evils are the devil's work and that somehow man is only "guilty" of being possessed. There goes responsibility out the window... We need to face the fact that there is evil in us all and that the devil cannot be blamed for the evil that men do (whoa, Iron Maiden reference right there)...

[The Walrus]

The antichrist is not a person. It is the evil energy flowing through everyone. It is the vices like jealousy, hate, etc. Therefore everyone has a little antichrist in him. Just some people have more of him in them then others.

[DarkKnight]

Is anything evil anyways? One man's evil man is another man's hero.

[shenmueguru]

Is anything evil anyways? One man's evil man is another man's hero.

I'll let common sense answer that one.

[Fenris]

I'll let common sense answer that one.

One's common sense is another man's stupidity.

[shenmueguru]

One's common sense is another man's stupidity.

:hmmm: We're talking about the common, common sense, right?

[DarkKnight]

:hmmm: We're talking about the common, common sense, right?

You have never met someone who, according to you, had no common sense? To that person, they were most likely acting how their common sense instructed them. Just because it is in its name "common" sense, does not mean that it "common" for everyone. Your common sense is derived from basic logical conclusions that you draw. Now we have all witnessed on this board how different people end up with different logical conclusions from the same premises.

[Dromikaites]

Yeah, I was sure Harry Potter is evil. Good we have an expert to confirm this

[Fenris]

I'm possessed by the devil too! I mean... who's not?

[KingOfTheIsles]

So, if both Hitler and Stalin were possessed by Satan, why did they fight one another. :hmmm: Surely they would've teamed up to take on the rest of the world. Well, that's crazy church people for you.

[Gogoas]

So, if both Hitler and Stalin were possessed by Satan, why did they fight one another. :hmmm: Surely they would've teamed up to take on the rest of the world. Well, that's crazy church people for you.

because that would make too much sense

[DefenderofFreedom]

So, if both Hitler and Stalin were possessed by Satan, why did they fight one another. :hmmm: Surely they would've teamed up to take on the rest of the world. Well, that's crazy church people for you.

Because you can't have 2 powerhungry people ruling the world.

[bdh]

I find it extremely hypocritical that the church that has killed more people than both Hitler and Stalin combined

Too be fair, I'm not so sure about that statistic, given such factors as exponential population growth, the effects of disease on war, etc. Of course, that also begs the question of people killing in the Catholic Church's name or just killings tacitly approved by the Catholic church. That would actually be an interesting figure to come about.

[The Lacedaemonian]

ive also heard that Hitlar was an antichrist.

[The Walrus]

Wasn't he the second antichrist. Napolean Bonoparte being the first?

[RusskiSoldat]

Let the old man believe what he wants.
The truth is, there is no good and evil.
The world is not black and white, but rather in shades of gray.
Every action has positive and negative consequences, it's just a question of which are stronger and by how much.

[DarkKnight]

Well i mean he was the guy who started the militarisation of germany which lead to the death of tens of millions, not to mention the holocaust and the destruction of infrastructure which really crippled the economy of nearly all countries in europe.

Not many people can say they did that.

Do you consider George, Clemenceau, and Orlando evil for crippling Germany's economy so bad that they supported a ruler such as Hitler? Without a doubt, by the moral standards of 99% of the people here, Hitler's actions are seen as "evil". You can make the statement that "according to your values Hitler is evil", but no one can make a statement that "Hitler is evil". By doing so you are implying that your moral values are universal. If I don't have any moral objection to killing people or causing global destruction, then I might not view Hitler as evil.

[Gogoas]

Do you consider George, Clemenceau, and Orlando evil for crippling Germany's economy so bad that they supported a ruler such as Hitler? Without a doubt, by the moral standards of 99% of the people here, Hitler's actions are seen as "evil". You can make the statement that "according to your values Hitler is evil", but no one can make a statement that "Hitler is evil". By doing so you are implying that your moral values are universal. If I don't have any moral objection to killing people or causing global destruction, then I might not view Hitler as evil.

i never said he was evil and actions speak louder than words. Any person that isn't twisted will see what he did as bad.