Tribounos Requirements Bill

[Tom Paine]

Bill I: Tribounos Requirements Bill
Proposer: the Grim Squeaker
Supporter(s): Perikles; Aristocrat; Ragabash; silver guard

Tribounos - Magistrate
Any Triumvir has full powers to hire or fire Tribounos at will but, while retaining their powers, have delegated the elections of them to the Curia. Tribounos are voted into their position by the Curia (see Curia Elections section below). Citizens with one month experience in either Citizen rank All Patricians are eleigible to stand for Tribounos. The total number of Tribounos, their assignments and powers are set by the Censor. If a Citizen is elected by the Curia then he will undergo a vote on Patrician status after gaining one month's experience. If they are already performing another function, as indicated in Appendix A, then this vote is initiated immmediately.

Rationale:

• Patricians are proven worthy candidates for staff ranks; citizens are not so well proven.
• Patricians in general have more experience of the Forum and more understanding of its working and more experience and understanding of moderation practice.
• Patricians are an elect group; electing a Citizen to the rank of staff neccessitates an election in the CdeC, no the other hand.
• This Bill would force citizens to gain more than 1 month experience in that rank before standing for election unless they were an outstanding candidate in which case the one month of the standing version would be irrelevant.

Finally, I would like to make it abundantly clear this is not a staff proposal but a personal proposal. This does not have the support of the full staff to my knowledge.

[Perikles]

I support!

[Aristocrat]

Just to clarify, this basically says that one must be a Patrician in order to be eligable to become a tribounos?

[Tom Paine]

To be 100% clear, yes.

[Aristocrat]

Then I support this 100%.

[King Henry V]

However, there is one thing which does seem incongruous:

All Patricians are eleigible to stand for Tribounos.

all Patricians; qualifying candidates for the Council of Peace are Citizens with at least one month of experience in either Citizen rank

Does this mean to say that for Trib elections all Patricians are eligible, whereas for CdeC elections only Patricians with one month's experience are eligible?

[Tom Paine]

Dammit! I forgot about CdeC elections, that's the problem. The CoP elections are as before. The CdeC elections, when I work out how to word it, will be as before.

I think that solves the problem.

[Ragabash]

Yes, I support this bill.

[Belisarius]

Restricting the pool of people who can be moderators = a biiiig no no. I dont support we need a big pool of people.

Restricting CdC to Patricians, and any non staff position has my support.

[Tom Paine]

CdeC is restricted to patricians and site elders, almost all of whom are themselves patricians and those who are not, are not for a reason.

Restricting the pool of moderators? That's built into the citizen ranks; why not open it out to all membership?

[Tacticalwithdrawal]

Restricting the pool of moderators? That's built into the citizen ranks; why not open it out to all membership?

good idea, why not? Anyone proposed still has to be voted on

[Belisarius]

good idea, why not? Anyone proposed still has to be voted on

Yea Grim made a good suggestion, instead of keeping the balance and restricting it to civitates when it would be better for staff to appoint anyone capable we should just open it up to anyone. What do you think?

[Aristocrat]

My thoughts are that wouldn't anyone capable actually already be at least a civitate? and if they aren't they either:
A) Are not moderator material.
B) Are not that interested in TWC anyway.
C) Couldn't be bothered.
D) Haven't been here long enough to be properly judged on merit.

[Ragabash]

I agree with Aristocrat. That would also preventent senior staff giving moderator places to friends from other forums and such.

[Silver Guard]

I support, though I think one month as Patrician is neccissary, to preserve the heirachy, so as not to go from Civiate, to Patrician, to Tib in a week

[Tom Paine]

If they manage that then they are obviously extremely worthy candidates; not something I would object to.

[Publius]

If they manage that then they are obviously extremely worthy candidates; not something I would object to.

As of right now I am more or less indifferent on bigger issue here of the Tribounos Requirements. However I do agree with Grims statement here - if someone merits such a quick rise they are either extremely dedicated/talented, or have very powerful friends in which case there is little we can do anyways :tooth:
More seriously though, there are enough 'check and balances' (CdeC, elections, etc) that I wouldnt worry about it.

Si amigo, in the old system, Kscott went from member to Quaestor (or Urbanis) in 4 days.... I think. Nothing against him, but I just dont think people should shoot up the ladder that quickly.

Not only is that merely one incident, but Kscott is one of the most respected members of these forums. If anything he's an example of why we shouldnt worry about it.

[Tom Paine]

Well... no it doesn't as the Trium can undelegate elections of moderation. But in election terms it does.

[Muizer]

In terms of commitment the current requirement of being citizen for a month is quite sufficient. The patrician rank does not add inherently relevant qualifications IMHO. I do not support the proposal.

[Spiff]

Aside from the main issues, i dont like the way its drafted

If theres a requirement for moderator rank it should be stated in the moderator section, to repeat it in the election section defeats the point of the "must also meet any further requirements stipulated by the specific position they are applying for" - so leave the elections section as it is, its drafted so it doesnt need to be changed.